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Remington 700 VSF vs Savage 10/110 Predator Hunting Max 1

 
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Old 07-10-2012, 07:44 PM
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Re: Remington 700 VSF vs Savage 10/110 Predator Hunting Max 1

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I have a model 10 max 1 22-250, it will eat anything up to 64grn berger fb, when I first got it, I couldn't get my hands on any norma or lapua brass, so I went to walmart and bought 3 boxes of the 40ct usa 45grn hollow points, at 28 a box you can't beat em, if you can do your part you can sit there all day with those rounds and shoot as many as you want and go and cover the whole group with a quarter when you are done. I got the guy I bought it from to through a box of 55grn hornadys in with the rifle, they shot good, but not as good. That model 10 is the most accurate rifle I have that's under twelve pounds with scope and bipod. I can't help on the remington as I have never owned that model.
have had three Savages in 22-250, and I found out by luck that the barrels seem to prefer the Sierra #1365 55 grain bullet. I remember reading somewhere in a length discussion that the twist rate equation is near perfect with that bullet (over on B.C.). Powder wise all three of mine prefered IMR 3031 for about 3550 fps (I wanta say 35.5 grains, but don't trust me on that). Seat the bullet very close to the lands (.002") and run about .004" tension on the bullet. I've shot a few high ones and a lot of mid to low twos with that load out of them. Interestingly, as close as 2015BR is to 3031 you'd think it'd work well. But I can't make it shoot well at all.
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The Savage is a medium contour barrel with a sporter style stock. I think I am leaning towards the 1;12 twist rate, as you say, it will have more ammo versitility than the remington guns. I would be shooting it off a harris bipod (13'-27"), from a sitting position, my usual set up for predator hunting. The Remington stock has no bedding system whatsoever, just the basic two screws from the trigger guard up into the synthetic stock, the usual (and lacking) Remington fare. The problem with most of the current crop of reasonably priced rifles with synthetic stocks is the plastic, no fiberglass or anything to stiffen them up in the fore end. When you turn a bipod mounted rifle in the dirt (to follow a moving target for example) on one of these cheap synthetics, the stock just flexes right up against the barrel and can cause erractic shots. I am thinking the Savage stock may avoid that problem, although the stock on the Remy VSF is stiffer than most. The weird thing is, I tock the stock off the Remington at the gun store, (pretty cool shop to let me do this) and at the very end of the fore end actually supporting the barrel (if you can believe it) are two tabs moulded into the stock that the barrel rides on. This goes against everything I have ever known about accuracy, but Remington claims in their advertising that this is their most accurate line of rifles! Maybe the Remington "scientists" have discovered someting new that heretofore has been undiscovered!? Wondering if anyone knows anything about how or why these barrel supporting tabs should work?

Chances are, the Savage is already free floated in addition to their unique beddng system, something Remington has never seemed to get. Am hoping to hear from someone that shoots a Predator/Hunter model with the accustock system to see if the think the foreend is stiff enough to handle a bipod without effecting repeatability. Thanks for your help!

Arizona Mike
My Remington came with a die cast alloy bedding block thing that went up into the forend. What a piece of junk! I ground a ball end mill that was a slightly smaller in diameter than the diameter of the reciever, and ran the end mill accross the bedding block. Then went up front and completely relieved it. After this was done I made a lap and lapped the bedding block for about 85% contact with the reciever. Found that it still moved all over the place so I simply pillar bedded it. Later I had to rework the recoil lug area as I found out that it was never right.
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Old 07-10-2012, 10:39 PM
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Re: Remington 700 VSF vs Savage 10/110 Predator Hunting Max 1

Interesting comment on the Remington bedding block, kinda makes you wonder why they (remington) even bother. It sounds a little like the Accustock bedding block (although I have never seen one) by your description, hope the Savage one works better than what you describe for your remington! Most people seem to agree that it does. One thing that someone just reminded me of on the Savage is the tang safety which I think will be more intuitive than a 700's safety to work, at least in a predator hunting situation where those pesky critters are popping up out of nowhere sometimes. I have flubbed more than one shot trying to hurriedly release a 700 safety while looking through the scope when a coyote popped out from around a bush!

Thanks for the tip on the 55 gr Sierra, I will definitely give then a try. Wow, this whole picking the right bolt gun is a lot of work.....sometimes I am tempted to just go with an AR!!

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Re: Remington 700 VSF vs Savage 10/110 Predator Hunting Max 1

The Savage Model 10 Predator Max-1 that I own (6.5 Creedmoor) is the most accurate out-of-the-box rifle I've ever owned. 3/4" three shot groups @100 yds.,for me, is plenty accurate for any four legged critter I may encounter.
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Re: Remington 700 VSF vs Savage 10/110 Predator Hunting Max 1

Well, that's another great endorsement for the Predator 10, thank you. I sure am not getting any on the Remington rifles. It's been revealing as to how many people think very highly of these Savage rifles. I am getting the drift that they may simply be the best out of the box shooters out there.
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Re: Remington 700 VSF vs Savage 10/110 Predator Hunting Max 1

Yeah, that's about the half of it Mike, I shot a box stock model 12 F class in 6.5x284 for a good while in 1k IBS, it was topped with a 12-42 nightforce in warne rings on an egw rail, it shot 1/2-3/4moa at 1000yards, it now has a kreiger barrel and TPS rings and its not much better, just fouls less and is easier to clean.
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Re: Remington 700 VSF vs Savage 10/110 Predator Hunting Max 1

Like I said, I love my 700VS, but it's quita bit removed from the 700 I took off the shelf one afternoon. Off the shelf it was a rock solid 4" group shooter with hand loads, and others couldn't even get that. Should have returned it to Remington, but I'm rather hard headed. So I virtually rebuilt the entire rifle. It shoots just under half inch groups, and has a near perfect balance for off hand shooting. I've heard that Remington redesigned their trigger again, and I hope so! Mine was a "J-lock gun", and I'd avoid them like sleeping with my mother inlaw.

The nice thing about the Savage is the Accutrigger and the barrel nut. Down the road you decide you want a little more knock down power, so you buy a 6XC barrel and just neck up your old 22-250 cases to 6XC, or something else. The down side of the Savage is that they are somewhat heavier than the Remington.I like the laminate varmit stocks for shooting off bags or a rest. They ride a windage plate much better than most all production guns, but still leave a little to be desired (rear of the stock needs a redesign). The Savage has a better barrel than most Remingtons right outta the box, but I still wouldn't call them fantastic. Most of all I've never been in love with their thoughts on cartride selection! (and in some cases barrel twist rates). They are not super pretty like my 1885's, but they do shoot well
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