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Remington 700 VSF vs Savage 10/110 Predator Hunting Max 1

 
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Old 07-10-2012, 03:46 PM
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Re: Remington 700 VSF vs Savage 10/110 Predator Hunting Max 1

I will say that the savage is completely free floating. Mine is fluted and tapers to .745". The two notches in the remington stock is nothing special, i have and sps and a sps buckmaster that had them, no science to it.
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Old 07-10-2012, 03:56 PM
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Re: Remington 700 VSF vs Savage 10/110 Predator Hunting Max 1

Mike, to answer your last question they are just 45 grain flat base hollow points loaded by winchester, they come in 40 count boxes and are 27.97 at my local walmart. On a decent day they would stay under moa to 300yrds, with the right conditions, likely under minute of coyote to 400+.
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:02 PM
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Re: Remington 700 VSF vs Savage 10/110 Predator Hunting Max 1

Here's my general theory on the pressure point...

Most folks like to see a "good fit and finish." A large gap between the barrel and stock is percieved to be not such a good fit and finish.

Many manufacturers are eager to crank out more volume at better margins. Thus, tupperware stocks or wood stocks that aren't so well cured are common.

As such, creating a specific pressure point near the fore end is better than having a random pressure point.

Free floating works with better quality materials and workmanship.

Or, as backwoods said... No real science

-- richard
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:29 PM
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Re: Remington 700 VSF vs Savage 10/110 Predator Hunting Max 1

Thanks "Backwoods", I will look for those Winchesters at my local Walmarts out here and give then a try. I am curious if you left the pressure point tabs in the fore ends of the two 700's you mentioned, or did you sand them out to free up the barrel, and if so, did they shoot better after that?? What calibers were they?

What RScott said makes sense about peoples perceptions based on the look of the fit at the fore end, I had never considered that particular "slant" on the issue. What a crazy world! You are right I think, many buy based on the "eye candy" value rather than accuracy basics of a rifle. I mean, if it really works, well OK, but I have to believe taking anything out that is touching or otherwise supporting the barrel is going to let a gun shoot to its full potential. Once again, this is being really helpful understand which way to go.........I'm leaning very heavily toward the Savage purchase.

As a "sidebar", I was reading on another post that someone with some insight realized that the Remington executives in the suits were really caught up in all the internal politics of the company, thus it was extremely hard to get things done there, make progress, etc. Conversely, the Savage executives are always out with various gun clubs shooting, competing and trying to get feedback on what customers want. I think it's working.

Arizona Mike
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Re: Remington 700 VSF vs Savage 10/110 Predator Hunting Max 1

Mike my sps buckmaster 243 turned into a full custom 6.5x284, and my sps 300wsm went freefloat and bedded in a boyds thumbhole with a custom brake and jewell trigger, so idk if it helps. I did remove the notches on a friends vtr but I also bedded it and that combo did help. And yes, savage is trying very hard to meet all needs/wants, I don't think remington cares much anymore.
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:49 PM
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Re: Remington 700 VSF vs Savage 10/110 Predator Hunting Max 1

Backwoods, nice job on those two Remingtons, you had me worried there for a moment! Sounds like you got a couple of real shooters there and a lot of experience to go with them. Thanks very much for your feedback, really helpful stuff! I am "soaking it up" and trying to learn from guys like you!
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Re: Remington 700 VSF vs Savage 10/110 Predator Hunting Max 1

There was no pressure point at the fore end of my Sendero.

...except for the sling stud protruding too far and rubbing the barrel. But, that was just sloppy and was easily fixed with a dremmel.

It's also an HS stock with aluminum bedding block. So, it's plenty stiff to free float.

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