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Old 02-25-2012, 08:29 PM
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Re: Remington 700 quality

I have been hunting and shooting all my life, reloading for rifles of many makes for the last 25+ years and almost all the "factory" rifles struggle to shoot moa or better without any work done to them. For the average person on a average salary can't afford to drop 3k to 4k on a custom rifle and another 1k to 3k on a fancy scope. So when it comes to the 700 action, it is as good as the rest of the factory guns that I have experience with. In order to get better results with any rifle, the action and bolt will need to be trued up, trigger job, action bedded, and barrel replaced or free floated etc. to obtain sometimes minimal results at best and that can be pricey at times. For someone like me, that is all you can do that is affordable to help with accuracy.
I have had the best results with Rem. 700's and the gunsmith I use likes the 700 better than any other factory actions out there. He did say that the older actions and barrels were better and had the best results with them in the past.
I think the gun companies are following suit as other companies are doing, as our country goes down the pipes, so does everything else and that is sad to see from what our country once was. For the wisdom of man is foolishness to God.
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Old 02-25-2012, 09:02 PM
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I think the gun companies are following suit as other companies are doing, as our country goes down the pipes, so does everything else and that is sad to see from what our country once was. For the wisdom of man is foolishness to God.
FE
Amen-

Our country is so strong, it can only fail from within. You'd have to be blind not to see it happening in front of your eyes.

Weatherby's got the Vanguard2 that's guaranteed to shoot sub MOA (3-shots). I held one the other day. It's sorta heavy and not free floated but you can grow to love a rifle you can trust. Otherwise, get one of those Sako's on sale at Cabelas. Don't let buying a rifle from a socialist country bother you. In a few years, they'll look like staunch conservatives to us! At least you'll own something made from hands that are trying.
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Old 02-25-2012, 09:25 PM
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Even with all the bashing the remington 700 is still the most proven rifle out there and the most copied action. Are they all perfect?? No . When you build way more rifles than anyone else there is going to be more with troubles than others. There's alot to like about a rifle action that is so simple and effective.
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Old 02-25-2012, 10:42 PM
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Amen-

Our country is so strong, it can only fail from within. You'd have to be blind not to see it happening in front of your eyes.

Weatherby's got the Vanguard2 that's guaranteed to shoot sub MOA (3-shots). I held one the other day. It's sorta heavy and not free floated but you can grow to love a rifle you can trust. Otherwise, get one of those Sako's on sale at Cabelas. Don't let buying a rifle from a socialist country bother you. In a few years, they'll look like staunch conservatives to us! At least you'll own something made from hands that are trying.
The Vanguard is actually one rifle I have no experience with other than a cousin owning one in 30-06 that would shoot pretty good with anything you put through it. Does it have the "freebore" the mark 5's have?
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Old 02-25-2012, 10:52 PM
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Even with all the bashing the remington 700 is still the most proven rifle out there and the most copied action. Are they all perfect?? No . When you build way more rifles than anyone else there is going to be more with troubles than others. There's alot to like about a rifle action that is so simple and effective.
Agreed. A beautiful design indeed but being on top is the worst reason to take your pedal off the gas pedal. Triggers like gravel, flimsy hollow stocks and poor accuracy are not an engineering design problem. That's corporate culture and it goes from the top all the way to the janitor. The idea that being the most successful should exempt them from producing high quality is counter intuitive. When was the last time you heard someone say "It'll be a cold day in hell before you pick up a Remington that wasn't a tack driver" or "You never find a Remington for sale cause nobody's willing to part with it".

Don't get me wrong. They're not junk. The people making them just aren't up to the job of producing them.
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Old 02-25-2012, 11:16 PM
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Re: Remington 700 quality

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The Vanguard is actually one rifle I have no experience with other than a cousin owning one in 30-06 that would shoot pretty good with anything you put through it. Does it have the "freebore" the mark 5's have?
FE
Don't know. I've called various companies with questions about their freebore. They're pretty tight lipped. Either they're afraid of being sued or the control over tolerances is so poor, they don't even know. Personally, I wouldn't care if freebore was an inch long so long as they could demonstrate that this was a key component why they have the most accurate rifles in the world. So far, no takers.
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Old 02-26-2012, 12:34 PM
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Re: Remington 700 quality

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I have been hunting and shooting all my life, reloading for rifles of many makes for the last 25+ years and almost all the "factory" rifles struggle to shoot moa or better without any work done to them. For the average person on a average salary can't afford to drop 3k to 4k on a custom rifle and another 1k to 3k on a fancy scope. So when it comes to the 700 action, it is as good as the rest of the factory guns that I have experience with. In order to get better results with any rifle, the action and bolt will need to be trued up, trigger job, action bedded, and barrel replaced or free floated etc. to obtain sometimes minimal results at best and that can be pricey at times. For someone like me, that is all you can do that is affordable to help with accuracy.
I have had the best results with Rem. 700's and the gunsmith I use likes the 700 better than any other factory actions out there. He did say that the older actions and barrels were better and had the best results with them in the past.
I think the gun companies are following suit as other companies are doing, as our country goes down the pipes, so does everything else and that is sad to see from what our country once was. For the wisdom of man is foolishness to God.
FE
Brother inlaw bought one of the Savage 116's in 30-06 when they first came out. Has the factory trigger in it and bedding. Nothing has been changed other than adding a 3x-9x scope. He shoot 3/4" groups right out of the box with Federal Supremes (I think they were 165's). At the time he didn't reload, and didn't plan on reloading (he does now). With his reloads he is shooting low sixes, and every once in awhile a mid five group. Is this uncommon? I don't know as I've never shot a Savage in 30 caliber anything.

On the otherhand I have two 22-250's and owned another one at one time. All are Savages, and the worst groups were in the mid threes. The one I don't own anymore shot a few groups that were one ragged hole that measured just under .20". The one I replaced it with is not as good, but is still a high two's rifle if I do my part. I have a newer short action that started out in the low threes and is getting better all the time. I shot the older one enough that I lost the throat in it, and did a 3/4" barrel set back with a complete rebed.

Now I also own three Weatherbys in 30-06. Two are MK. V's, and the other is a 30 year old Vanguard. The Vanguard will shoot 150 thru 165's in the half inch range rather consistently. The one MK.V I've shot is a solid 3/4" rifle (the other is still a virgin). These rifles are as factory shipped, and both have Leupold scopes and Redfied bases and rings. I also own a Marlin MR7 in 30-06. It shoots sub inch groups with 165's, but the rifle is also kinda light in weight and not all that much fun to set down and shoot 180's and heavier stuff in. My MK. V. in 270 mag is a solid 3/4" rifle out of the box. I had another Remington 700 ADL in 30-06 that was a very good shooter (sub 3/4" groups), and also had a similar rifle in .270. It shot just as well, but these also were 30 year old guns.

My last two Remingtons are vastly different. One is a 541 with the heavy barrel and two screw action. Dosn't shoot all that well. Maybe 1" groups at 50 yards. I'm not knocking it as I don't know where the problem is yet. I have another 541 with the single screw action and light barrel that will shoot under an inch at 100 yards with the right ammo. (it's also close to 30 years old). Then I saw this 700VS in .223, and just had to have it. It was a rock solid 4.25" rifle with hand loads! I thought it was just me, and loaned it to a couple very well known bench rest shooters, who called me up to ask how I managed to get 4" groups? The barrel was so rough it tore up patches. The bolt seated on a burr that was over .06" tall! The chamber was cut at an angle and .007" off center. And there were major bedding issues. I rebuilt it from one end to the other, and ended up with a 20" barrel (lost about 75fps). It now shoot in the fours (as in .45"). I like the rifle, but also should have been in the trash can from the get go.
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