I bought my first Remington rifle late last fall. I don't know if this qualifies exactly in this discussion (hey, I'm a newbie), but it's a 5R Milspec in.308. It has just a crummy piece of glass on it right now and I've only gotten it sighted in at 100 yards.
But.. it is sub MOA for both myself and a buddy of mine. For me, a 7 shot group in an approx. .7" group. My friend put 3 shots into a .75" group. Just my 2 cents...
I think the 5r's get special attention. I got a milspec a couple of years ago(my third)that is a sub .5 MOA shooter. They can make them right if they try I guess.
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There certainly seems to be a huge variation in the quality of the Remington Barrels, which includes the chamber and throat. It sounds like a tap is used to cut the threads in the receiver, instead of cutting them with a single point tool on the lathe.
On mine, the 8mm fouls noticeably quicker than my 223. When cleaning the 223 which at 26" is the longest barrel I own, it has very low friction and needs very few patches before they come out clean and with no change in resistance. The 8mm typically needs a bore mop first, then some copper remover, then some more #9 and finally some Remoil followed by a dry patch. My one DPMS is similar to the 8mm barrel in that it needs more work to clean and then with the operating system, there are a lot more components that have to be stripped and cleaned and re-lubed.
I think the Remington 223 and the DPMS in 7.62x39 will be getting sold shortly. I already have a superior replacement for the Remington bolt gun and the DPMS in 7.62x39 will be getting replaced with an SKS. In reality the "functional equivalent" of the DPMS will be my Galil in 223 which I should shortly have sorted out. I have to say that with the poor quality receivers and shoddy assembly methods in use at Century Arms, you really have to love to Golani to put up with what it takes to make one of those misfits work. They make Remington look like saints.... On my rifle, they parkerized the inside of the bore, since they forgot to "plug" it when they parked the barrel / receiver. Then the receiver was out of spec, forcing the barrel out of position with a too shallow chamber, so they ground the back of the bolt lugs to make it fit, instead of fixing the chamber or receiver.
When I had the barrel replaced, it needed a replacement bolt, which came out of the surplus bin (at a smith that specializes in Galils). As we later found out, that bolt had been machined on the face that contacts the cartridge by 40-50 thou, altering the relationship of the round to the extractor... With the result that my rifle cannot eject its brass... So now, on the 3rd bolt, it looks like the extraction and ejection will work, but I may have to fix the chamber again.... As I say, they make Remington look like saints...
if you look at the female threads in the reciever under a strong light and magnifier, you'll probably see at least one line running lengthwise, and usually two to three. Those lines are cause by the chips being broken off when the tap is reversed. When this happens all backlash in the spindline is reversed causing error. You can tap threads accurately, but it's usually a one up deal. When you use a tap in a machine (in this case a machine center), you add into the fact any error in machine alingnment, spindle bears, and error in the spindle itself. When you do the samething with a boring bar in a decient lathe you only take in the error of the bed of the machine and quality of the spindle bearings (not much of a factor here). The one otherway to cut the female thread, and also a little more accurately is with a thread mill. The operation is a little slower than the other two, but the thread form is far more accurate. The slower the operation the more money is involved in the part.
hey guys, I'm a newbie to this site and I have to say it looks pretty cool.. as to the question of 700 quality I picked up a 270 adl at wally world afew years back.. it has mossy oak synthetic stock and a leupold rifleman scope on it.. the scope was the only thing I changed on it and it shoots 1 inch groups out 200yds. I love this rifle just the way it is and I'm not changing anything about it.. I also picked up the rem 700 aac 308 with flash hider already installed in the houge stock.. I'm putting a bell and carlson tactical stock on it right away and maybe the DBM conversion kit.. groups with the houge stock were about 1 1/2 inches let you know how it works out..
I'd say many companies are catching up but that 700s are still definitely not junk. Though some of the stocks they slap on their rifles can be, but in a way that allows them to bring the cost down so you can have a shootable rifle at an affordable price, and for those of us who almost immediately took the factory stock we can do some more custom set ups.
I have an sps var and the factory stock was definitely crappy and I put a McMillan a3-5 on it. The factory stock would have shot fine but its just not a stock you could hope to maximize accuracy and such with.