Rem 700 SA or Sako L579 as base for 243AI....

[LRHWAL]

I've got a Rem 700 SA in 243 - an older model that I bought from a friend. The stock is not great and is quite short (maybe shortened) in the fore-end with a barrel band sling swivel (if that's a configuration anyone's ever seen). Anyhow, that's not really the point, but I wanted to build a 243 AI and figured this would be a good base to start from, particularly as the 700 is like the 1911A1 of the rifle world with all sorts of aftermarket bits avaialble all over; stocks, magazine boxes, triggers, action dress up's etc. The idea was to build a medium weight 21 or 22" rig that I could carry around pretty easily.

I ran into a Sako Forester L579, also in 243, yesterday available at a good price. I've always liked Sako's and now I'm a bit torn. I thought that may be good base to work off too and the stock is a lot better, as I suspect I'd need to swap out the Rem stock, but then assuming someone will ship to me, there are pretty cheap replacement's available in the US from what I've seen.

I've run into "issues" with a Sako M995 before though, as everything that I wanted to do was really limited as to souces and choice - even for stuff like a stock.

I'd probably swap out the barrel in due course anyway, so the condition of the barrel isn't too much of a factor.

What are your thoughts? Is my initial gut feel to go with the Rem the right one?

Thanks for any input and ideas.

A great and blessed Easter to you all.

WL
(South Africa)

[D B Cooper]

I would go for the Sako every time. Remingtons are accurate and the actions are a great base for a custom, but the quality of the Sako is far and away superior. They are in a class that is unequaled IMO.

Here are my two favorite rifles. Both are old time customs built by an old one legged logger here in Oregon named Ed Plummer(deceased). They aren't the synthetic stocked, camo'ed all weather super-dooper's that everyone seems to think are the latest and greatest, but I would shoot them gun for gun against anything on the market.

Ed guaranteed his rifles to shoot MOA or your money back. I don't think he ever had to follow through on it. He couldn't checker so he "stagged" them.

Top is a Forester in .243 Win. Bottom is L61R Finnbear in .300 Win. Mag. "Plummer" customs are becoming highly prized by those who know what they are when they see them. And command a premium when they turn up at local shops. These two rifles will be with me until either they turn to dust, or I do. I love the early Sakos.

[P KUNDA]

Give me a Remington anytime. May not be as fancy as the Sako but much safer. If your case will ever fail, you will know exactly what I'm talking about.

Peter

[D B Cooper]

So how's a Remnington any safer than Sako, Mauser or any other modern rifle? Please follow through on your statement.

[D B Cooper]

Originally Posted by P KUNDA

Give me a Remington anytime. May not be as fancy as the Sako but much safer. If your case will ever fail, you will know exactly what I'm talking about.

Peter

I am assuming that you are referring to the so called "Extractor failing and becoming shrapnel" legend. In relation to that , Frank de Haas states in his Bolt Action Rifle book , "I have never seen a Sako action that failed in any way, or developed excess headspace after long use."

I knew the late custom rifle builder Larry Brace personally. Larry used Sako actions almost exclusively to build his exquisit custom rifles. His personal favorite for his many trips to Africa was an L61R in .375 H&H. His wife's rifle was the same action in .270 Win. There was absolutely nothing that he dis-liked or mis-trusted about Sako actions and rifles.

I have seen many Remington 700s with excessive headspace and with up-set locking lugs. Not to mention worn out extractors.

I suppose this gentleman could build his .243 AI on the 1917 Enfield to circumvent any perceived or imagined failures of the action.

BTW, I also did an extensive search to find anyone who had seen first hand, or experienced the alleged Sako Extractor failure. All I found was speculation and hear-say. So if you have first hand experience? I would very much like to hear a detailed account.

[jwp475]

Originally Posted by P KUNDA

Give me a Remington anytime. May not be as fancy as the Sako but much safer. If your case will ever fail, you will know exactly what I'm talking about.

Peter

Yea know what you are talking about. A Remington will give the shooter a face full the same as the Sako will when a case ruptures catastropicaly

[P KUNDA]

A case head fully closed in three rings of steel will always give one much more protection than a case head in one extractor interupted rim. The amount of gas comming through with the Remington action is nothing to compare with what can happen with some other not so well sealed actions. Friend of mine has 20 stitches in his forearm resulted from a .270W Sako case head failure, blowing the stock forearm into hundred splinters.

Peter