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Recovered 208 A-Max... from LR Black Bear kill

 
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Old 10-14-2009, 11:40 AM
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Re: Recovered 208 A-Max... from LR Black Bear kill

I don't see all the fuss over retained bullet weight and separation. The bear went 20 yards and dropped. I have shot game with both types of bullets from coyotes to moose(in calibres ranging from .264win mag to .338 Lapua) and the farthest anything went was a whitetail that raced about 80 yards after I took the top of his heart off with a 180gr Accubond out of my .300 Weatherby. If you hit it in the right place with almost any bulletits dead.

***The one bullet I do not recommend is the Lapua Scenar, they will not expand, separate, mushroom or anything else. They will either pencil straight through or make a J shape and tumble***


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Old 10-16-2009, 08:11 PM
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Re: Recovered 208 A-Max... from LR Black Bear kill

Good post and discussion. I make my own bullets and do a lot of testing with other brands as well so would like to add this comment. I have used AB's and they are very accurate and are a good bullet AS LONG A TERMINAL VELOCITY IS 2500 OR HIGHER! They are made to hold together at high velocity in the big Magnums. This is good! The bad news is Magnums will shoot farther and when the velocity drops off they will not expand!Nosler uses a hard lead core to help control expansion. I once shot an elk with a 200 AB at 1025 yds. and I might as well have used a solid. The bullet lost about 20 grs. of weight and didn't mushroom whatsoever (just rubbed off the nose) I design my bullets with a thin nose, a high B.C. and bond the core to the jacket. They perform very well in my 300 ultra at long range and hold together sufficiently to reach hide on the far side at shorter range. This is not a commercial because I don't market my bullets. What I'm suggesting is, I will take a Berger or A-max any day at ranges exceeding 500 yds. They also hit harder because they carry the velocity and don't drop or drift as much. For what it's worth...Rich
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Old 10-17-2009, 08:30 PM
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Re: Recovered 208 A-Max... from LR Black Bear kill

Then what is you choice for under 500 yard range
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Re: Recovered 208 A-Max... from LR Black Bear kill

Accubonds are fine. They are usually very accurate, mushroom well and hold together in heavier game with shoulder shots. When I make my own for higher velocity or large game at closer range I use a double jacket and bond them (i.e. a .257 inside a .308) or load the .257 backwards and make a partition.......Rich
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Old 10-24-2009, 01:40 AM
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Re: Recovered 208 A-Max... from LR Black Bear kill

I just got home from my fall mule deer hunting trip and I was sucessfull in harvest a buck using the 208 gr AMAX at a distance of 472 yds. The buck was close enough that I just just held high and dropped the hammer.

The bullet performed very well and delivered violence to the buck. It "passed quickly and humanly".

The muzzle velocity was 3164 fps.

I am not the sort that will post blood and guts photo's. The exit hole was about 2 inches and took a rib with it. Pieces of the lungs were found on the hillside, the blood trail was obvious and easy to follow.
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Old 10-24-2009, 12:10 PM
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Re: Recovered 208 A-Max... from LR Black Bear kill

Then how about a picture of your rifle and what caliber it is
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Old 10-24-2009, 12:47 PM
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Re: Recovered 208 A-Max... from LR Black Bear kill

I wouldn't be too hard on the performance of the 208 amax. I recovered a 180 gr NAB from an antelope I shot this year at about 400 yards. The accubond looks very similar to the picture of your Amax with the exception that the small amount of lead remaining was still attached to the jacket. The accubond appeared to blow up on the hide of the antelope making an 8 inch hole in the hide before penetrating to the off side where the bullet was recovered. The good thing was that it was an instant kill. The bad thing is that the bullet integrity isn't up to what I would expect from a premium bonded bullet.
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