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Recovered 208 A-Max... from LR Black Bear kill

 
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Old 09-05-2008, 09:25 AM
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Recovered 208 A-Max... from LR Black Bear kill

Thought I'd share this with y'all...

Buddy of mine guided a friend last Sunday, they killed the pictured bear. This is a solid bear for Western Washington... just shy of 6', around 225 pounds, about 16"-17" skull.

Rifle: Remington Sendero II
Caliber: .300 RUM
Load: 93 grains Retumbo
Bullet: 208 A-Max
Velocity: 3100ish
Range: 519 yards (fairly decent downhill angle... maybe 15*)

Cranked the scope up 7 MOA (actually inches... but close enough), waited for a nice broadside shot... and WHAMMY!



At the shot the bear folded hard... got up, made about 3 strides, and was down for the count. Made it maybe 20 yards. You can see the entrance right behind the shoulder in the picture. 4 ribs were broken (one was demolished) on the entrance side, lungs were absolute soup, and what's left of the bullet was recovered against the hide on the off side. Total remaining jacket weight was around 75 grains... and as you can see, the core seperated... and some funky stuff happened with the jacket. All in all... the bear ate around 2500 ft/lbs... and went down hard... but, I think I'll be leaning toward the Accu-Bond in the future out of my .300 RUM.

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Old 09-05-2008, 09:41 AM
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Re: Recovered 208 A-Max... from LR Black Bear kill

Thanks for the post.
Those 208 A-Maxs have some excellent bc ratings and are supposedly quite accurate.
It looks like they didn't hold up to well though for a hunting bullet.
Is that common with this bullet?
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Re: Recovered 208 A-Max... from LR Black Bear kill

Thanks for sharing that with us.

Great pictures.

The A-max is a good bullet for "deer sized game"..... but when you're chasing anything bigger the, AB certainly would be my bullet of choice.
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Old 09-05-2008, 09:55 AM
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Re: Recovered 208 A-Max... from LR Black Bear kill

Don't know if it's common... this is the first critter we've killed with them. I've been shooting the 210 Bergers out of my RUM... hopefully I'll be able to report on their performance after this weekend. Not sure the extra .060 points in BC is worth the trade off in terminal performance vs. the 200 grain Accubond.

For what it's worth... the same guy has killed a half dozen bears with the 140 Accubond out of a .270 WSM over the last couple of years... distances ranged from 150-500 yards. We never recovered one of those bullets.
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Old 09-05-2008, 09:56 AM
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Re: Recovered 208 A-Max... from LR Black Bear kill

Very informative post.

I'm beginning to think that the bullets that loose the core early expend their energy violently and sooner as evidenced by 4 broken ribs and mushed innards in this case. I would have thought a 200gr class bullet would have fully penetrated well beyond the posted distance.

I'm leaning very hard towards the NABs even if I have to settle for a few grains less weigh in my caliber.
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Old 09-05-2008, 09:57 AM
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Re: Recovered 208 A-Max... from LR Black Bear kill

Congratulations on the bear kill. Its always nice to get rid of them dam things...Gettin to be way to many of them...

I"ve had no such luck in about 4 attempts since the season opened here. I haven't even seen one yet, which is really surprising...

+1 for the AB


Similar experience with the 200g SMK out of my 300 RUM on a 400 lb black bear at 250 yards, except there was much less bullet left. No core to be found, just a little piece of jacket on the far side shoulder. Granted the bear only went a few yards and was dead on arrival, however I just wouldn't feel comfortable using another match bullet on bears or elk unless its the 300g SMK. I switched to the 200g AB out of my 300 RUM and proceeded to kill a few elk, with shoulder shots that anchored them DRT with baseball size exits. Much better for bigger game.
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Re: Recovered 208 A-Max... from LR Black Bear kill

Great thread guys. I am giong out tomorrow to test some 208 A-Maxs myself now you have me second guessing my choice of bullet for the .300 Win Mag.

I have 200 gr ABs and 180 gr Swift Sciroccos that I planned on testing aswell, maybe the A-Maxs aren't the way to go.

I think I'll let the accuracy will be the judge of this dilemma.

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