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Old 03-13-2014, 12:32 AM
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Re: Problem 700 SPS

I put a Holland deluxe spring kit it and was able to get the trigger pull down to 4 lbs. It is better than my vanguard series 1 trigger I had before I put a Timney in it.
A problem with the barrel makes sense. No crown damage that I can tell. Do u think Remington would replace that? I doubt I could get much selling a gun that can't shoot.
As a project gun if I were to keep it, would blue printing be worth it?
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Old 03-13-2014, 02:22 AM
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I put a Holland deluxe spring kit it and was able to get the trigger pull down to 4 lbs. It is better than my vanguard series 1 trigger I had before I put a Timney in it.
A problem with the barrel makes sense. No crown damage that I can tell. Do u think Remington would replace that? I doubt I could get much selling a gun that can't shoot.
As a project gun if I were to keep it, would blue printing be worth it?
I'm gonna give you my "patent answer" that I get mocked about, but it works on a non-shooting Remington.

True the action threads & face, lap the lugs, square the bolt face...Basically complete trueing of the reciever (might need trued raceways, but your smith can tell you if tou do or don't). Have the barrel threads and shoulder trued. Have the barrel hand-lapped and re-crowned. Have the action bedded in the stock. And have the barrel free-floated.

If it won't shoot after all that, move on to ordering a B&C Medalist stock ($265) and an new aftermarket barrel blank, and let your smith do his magic on it. Should be a shooter.

Remington 700's have THE largest aftermarket support of any brand bolt-action rifle. And there's a reason for that. When they work, they're precise!

Personally, I just buy cheap used ones for $300-400 to use as my basis for builds, since Remington's quality has become hit or miss lately. I've had excellent experiences with factory Remington rifles, except one. But it got rebarreled almost immediately after I bought it, because I didn't like the caliber.
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Old 03-13-2014, 04:35 AM
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Re: Problem 700 SPS

Yank the barrel off and give it to your local gardening nut to use as a tomato stake
don't waste your time and money on anything until you have done that..................

for $340 you can get a fine Bartlein barrel and it will shoot !

just recently I picked up two SPS REM 700's in 300 RUM and didn't bother shooting either one of them, both barrels were immediately replaced with Bartleins
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Old 03-13-2014, 10:00 AM
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With all the recommendations for a new barrel, is it worth putting one on without truing up the action? Replacing the barrel will no doubt make the gun usable but with all the problems I seem to have with it would it be more cost effective to start over with another brand or dump money into this one to make it equivalent to a custom gun? I know I said I wanted a project gun but wasn't thinking I would start with a lemon. Mainly thinking of the brass shavings, case marks, and cratered primers.
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Old 03-13-2014, 01:22 PM
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With all the recommendations for a new barrel, is it worth putting one on without truing up the action? Replacing the barrel will no doubt make the gun usable but with all the problems I seem to have with it would it be more cost effective to start over with another brand or dump money into this one to make it equivalent to a custom gun? I know I said I wanted a project gun but wasn't thinking I would start with a lemon. Mainly thinking of the brass shavings, case marks, and cratered primers.
No... Never install a new barrel without truing up the action. That's like washing, waxing, and detailing a junkyard car about to get crushed.

Well, yes and no... Iit's cheaper to continue with what you have, since you already own the rifle. However, selling it to start over you could probably regain some of your money back.

Unless you just want to sell the SPS? If you want to dump a non-shooting gun (lemon) off on somene, I'll gladly take it off your hands. I have nothing but time, and slowly polishing that turd would be fine with me, as I have plenty of other rifles to be shooting in the meantime.

By cratered primers are you talking about the big divoted looking primers around where the firing pin strikes? If so, that's not from pressure signs...That's from an oversized firing pin hole in the bolt face. My rifles do that wtih forming loads, which are book minimum loads.

Is this what you're referring to? If so, that's not that big of a deal. It's also not a sign of pressure. Pressure signs would be the primers being flattened, like in the second picture.



This is pressure... Notice how the primer has flattened out enough to fill up the all the corners of the primer pocket. You can also get a better idea if you're flattening primers when you de-cap your brass for cleaning.

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Old 03-13-2014, 02:00 PM
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I feel your pain! My last Remington 700 shot 4.25" groups with hand loads, and several well known BR shooters couldn't get close to that group size. I fought it till I got so mad that I completely rebuilt, but kept the OEM barrel (cut as much of the bad stuff out of it as I could). I would start looking at the once fired brass (unsized) closely to see what I had there. Is the brass strait? Look closely at the neck to centerline of the case. If you have the tools, pull the barrel for a better look at it. My barrel was so bad that it tore up tight patches, and I hope yours is better. Looking at the barrel, does the last three to four inches feel looser than the rest of the barrel? If so, be looking at a new barrel with the 7mm mag.

What the barrel's I.D. looks like inside maybe a clue, but I've seen some rougher than a corn cob shoot some seriously small groups. It is critical that the muzzle end be tight! If it's loose you got a shot gun. The brass shavings are troubling. I give the action a serious cleaning, and shoot a few rounds thru it one round at a time without using the magazine. This will isolate the problem.

You've already rebed the action, and even restocked it with no help. So I'd forget chasing that demon for awhile. But I'd still give the recoil lug and the bedded area a really close examination. You can have the action trued and setup as nice as can be done, but if the chamber and barrel bore are junk you still got junk.

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Old 03-13-2014, 03:36 PM
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By cratered primers are you talking about the big divoted looking primers around where the firing pin strikes? If so, that's not from pressure signs...That's from an oversized firing pin hole in the bolt face. My rifles do that wtih forming loads, which are book minimum loads.

Is this what you're referring to? If so, that's not that big of a deal. It's also not a sign of pressure. Pressure signs would be the primers being flattened, like in the second picture.
Thanks for those picts and good explanation. They do look cratered like in the first picture. I figured it wasn't a big deal just lack of workmanship on Remington's side. I've seen that one could buy an oversized firing pin to prevent this.

I'll see if I can post some picts of the brass shavings and scratch marks on the case. I have some snap caps and they show the marks really well.

I assumed that the chamber had some burrs but could not see anything. I took some 0000 steel wool on a dowel with a drill and took that to the chamber and it didn't make a difference.

I believe the brass shavings are caused by the extractor scraping off the upper edge (bullet side) of the rim. All my cases seem to have rounded rims now and don't look all that pretty. Can't say I'm a fan of the Remington extractor if it mars brass like this.

If you put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. Sounds like what I've got here.
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