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Old 05-16-2011, 12:04 PM
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rscott, I to find this interesting. My friends rifle has a alum. action, too make weight for the barrel, that looks like my jeep drive shaft,29'' He sorts and measures everything, seat with a way of measuring pounds of pressure,these are further sorted for match or practice or if he thinks he has right conditions for a record. Like mentioned above, he is very keen on windreads.Im justtrying to pick up a few tips to help out my lrhunting
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Old 05-16-2011, 12:17 PM
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rscott, I to find this interesting. My friends rifle has a alum. action, too make weight for the barrel, that looks like my jeep drive shaft,29'' He sorts and measures everything, seat with a way of measuring pounds of pressure,these are further sorted for match or practice or if he thinks he has right conditions for a record. Like mentioned above, he is very keen on windreads.Im justtrying to pick up a few tips to help out my lrhunting
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Old 05-16-2011, 07:28 PM
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.6 in 1k BR will not even routinely win a relay, you must be .4-.5 in daily match conditions.BH
BH, in highpower/Palma, when one says they've got a .6 MOA rifle, they mean that's the worst it will do. And they typically shoot 15 - 20 shot groups to test it. That's cause that's what they shoot in one string of fire. The best Palma hardware averages .4 to .5 MOA. at 1K. And once in a while, they'll shoot 5 holes clustered in under 2 inches, with aperture sights.

I don't know what a long range benchrest rifle will shoot for a 20 shot string. Or even a 30 shot string. Here's what my Palma rifle (with 20X scope for aiming precision) did at 800 yards for 20 consecutive shots:



That's about .41 MOA. Best I could hold was about 3/4ths inch wobble area slung up prone with the rifle stock's fore end and toe on a rice bag.

Here's two 15-shot groups shot with my Win. 70 chambered for the .30-.338 Keele Long Neck. 190 grain Sierra's alternately with 200 grain HPMK's. All 30 shots in aboiut 20 to 25 minutes. Hold was about 1 inch in area shot the same way as above. Note each 15-shot group is virtually the same size; about 6/10ths MOA, but the 200-grain load shot lower on the target. Shots with each bullet weight were alternately fired to check accuracy over a 30-round shot string. Note the 200-grain group was shot with new uprepped cases; the 190's shot with 2X fired full length sized cases.

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My friend that shoots bench at 1000.Format is 10 shots for relay, 7 1/2 '' 10 ring I think. In 2010 he shot 6 agg. and 10 agg. matches, 60 shots 4.88, 100 shots 5.89, that was during there shooting season. They have small group and other points. At a recent shoot 2 guys shoot 100 x 5.62, and 100 x 4.66 ''.17 lb. light gun. I find the shooting very good, when you see wind, mirage and such, and the palma seems to have more of the element of shooting form from the shooters

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"Keep it simple and the same" is what my friend always tells me. It works for him, and he is always in the hunt for the top seat. He shoots a 15lb. rifle for both light gun and heavy.

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My friend that shoots bench at 1000.Format is 10 shots for relay, 7 1/2 '' 10 ring I think. In 2010 he shot 6 agg. and 10 agg. matches, 60 shots 4.88, 100 shots 5.89, that was during there shooting season. They have small group and other points. At a recent shoot 2 guys shoot 100 x 5.62, and 100 x 4.66 ''.17 lb. light gun. I find the shooting very good, when you see wind, mirage and such, and the palma seems to have more of the element of shooting form from the shooters
Note that those agg's are the average group size. At least a third to half of them are larger. The size of the largest one represents the real accuracy of the rifle and ammo.
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Old 05-17-2011, 07:25 AM
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Are Palma rifles/barrels equally as accurate as competitive bench rest rifles at 600+ yds?

Please explain.

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Depends. mostly on the individual rifle, and the skill of the shooter.

F-open rifles are shot at palma matches, from the prone position. Are we calling them palma rifles for the sake of this conversation?

Well if we are than I would say yes. I have f-open rifles that show a propensity to hold sub 1/4 MOA under good conditions. With weight limits of 22 lbs. these guns are built similar to br rifles with the major differnce being stock design.
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