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Out of the Box: Best Long Range Target Rifle/Caliber/Ammo Combo?

 
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Old 12-21-2012, 11:00 AM
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Re: Out of the Box: Best Long Range Target Rifle/Caliber/Ammo Combo?

Thanks, sportmuythai . Everything I know (which isn't that much in comparison to a lot of guys on this forum) I learned from someone else. I can't think of one thing I know, when it comes to shooting, that I didn't learn from someone else. When I do learn something, I try to pass it on so other shooters can benefit the same way I did.

The real wisdom comes from some of the old heads that frequent this site along with industry guys like Bryan Litz. God Bless 'em! That is what makes this site so useful.

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Old 12-21-2012, 02:11 PM
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Joe what Gary is trying to say is that the 243 is a good round, just not for benchrest or long fast shot strings, with its 20* shoulder and short neck, rapid firing a 243 will destroy a barrel throat faster than a 6.5x284 because over 1/3 of the powder is burned outside the case, in the throat.
That makes sense.

But that's not what I was replying to. I only replied to Gary's statement that there's something wrong with the 243. I'm not seeing where he said it's a good round

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Might think of a 6mm Remington with a 1:8 twist barrel. The 6mm is a much better round than the .243, and handles long bullets way better. The basic .243 is a very poor case design that at best is always going to be a compromise. But just about anything the .243 will do the 6BR will be right on it's tail with less than i/4th the hassels
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I never recommended the 243 for what the OP wanted. But to say there's is something wrong with the 243 is in my experience wrong. It's never been hard to load for, always easy to shoot, always accurate, and after 30years that same little gun is still doing the same thing it always has with the factory barrel. Are there better chamberings for different purposes, yea no argument there. For the OP I recommended the 6.5-284.
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Old 12-21-2012, 02:14 PM
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Re: Out of the Box: Best Long Range Target Rifle/Caliber/Ammo Combo?

Joe when I first joined the forums me and Gary had a few disagreements, he puts things very straight forward, kinda seems like he's stepping on your toes, but he's very knowledgable and means no harm, he just states what can be better about most things. I have a 243, 260, and 308, I also load for 7-08, they are good cartridges but like we were just saying the 243 and sometimes the 260 when heated can be hard on barrel due to their inefficency to burn the powder in the case and this becomes less of an issue as the bore gets larger, almost noexistent in the 338fed. If you ever rebarrel check out the 6mm or 6.5mm SLR, made from 243 or 260 cases, more power, all the benefits of the 6br case. The 6slr will be my next 1k yrd benchrest choice after my 6br barrel is toasted.
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Old 12-21-2012, 02:57 PM
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Nope not stepping on my toes at all, but we do run into that when you can only read words and not actually talk the the other person, just the nature of it I spose. I know the 243 has the potential to burn barrels really fast, I knew that when I was a kid, why I never used it to for varmints much, I was only addressing that one statement, about it being a bad design. Not arguing with you at all I agree actually, just for that one statement I feel based on my experience to be wrong. Not trying to get in a debate about which 6mm chambering is better either, and for the OP's criteria that he listed I don't feel that 243 would be a good fit, infact I think compared to the 6.5-284 for what the OP wants the 243 isn't even in the same league.
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Old 12-21-2012, 04:51 PM
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the 6SLR is pretty much the samething as Bob Greanleaf's 6BG. One has a 31 degree shoulder angle and a .32" neck length, and the other is pretty much a stretched 6BR with a .352" neck and a 30 degree shoulder. Both appear to be great rounds. Another round to consider is just simply reaming the existing barrel with a 6mm Ackley reamer to head space off a .243AI gauge. Of course the .243 brass won't work anymore, but a 3/8" barrel set back should clean up all the throat and let you start all over again. Even easier would be to run a 6Vias reamer in the .243 chamber with no set back
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Old 12-22-2012, 12:47 AM
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Re: Out of the Box: Best Long Range Target Rifle/Caliber/Ammo Combo?

You should take a hard look at the 6.5 Creedmoor for what the OP initially described, super accuracy, great selection of match grade ammunition high quality rifles, low recoil and will out shoot a 308 Winchester in the wind.

Im going to put some rounds down range for the first time from my new stiller tac-30 in 6.5 Creedmoor tomorrow morning ..... From what I have experienced by getting my but kicked in local tatical matches the past few months by guys shooting the Creedmoor I'm hoping for the best....my new rifle has a .5 MOA guarantee with factory ammo so I'm going out to test some of the Hornady 140 A-Max ammo and have 500 pieces of brass along with Berger, Sierra and Hornady 140 grain pills and a bunch of different powders ready to go for testing over the long weekend!!

I wonder what my wife would think if I went shooting on Christmas morning?
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