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Out of the Box: Best Long Range Target Rifle/Caliber/Ammo Combo?

 
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Old 12-20-2012, 04:16 PM
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Re: Out of the Box: Best Long Range Target Rifle/Caliber/Ammo Combo?

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Remington VLS model in .308 caliber
Federal Target ammo is you dont care to reload..( but you should)
Scope of your preference on a 20 MOA rail
The VLS stock dosn't ride the bags very well, but with a few tricks can be made a lot better. If your kinda handy with a saw and are not afraid to do a serious rework of the stock, you can make it 100% better than it is out of the box. I've seen it done two or three times, and before paint it does look very ugly.

Or you can simply order in the Savage 12BVSS-s, and with about one hour of sanding here and there come out with a pretty good stock. But even then it can be made a lot better with about an hour of wood work, and about three hours of contouring. The Savage stock is far easier to rework as it's already halfway there.
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Old 12-20-2012, 04:22 PM
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As far as caliber goes, would I be better served by a .308 instead of the 243 since I'm looking at a max distance of 1K yards?
Might think of a 6mm Remington with a 1:8 twist barrel. The 6mm is a much better round than the .243, and handles long bullets way better. The basic .243 is a very poor case design that at best is always going to be a compromise. But just about anything the .243 will do the 6BR will be right on it's tail with less than i/4th the hassels
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Might think of a 6mm Remington with a 1:8 twist barrel. The 6mm is a much better round than the .243, and handles long bullets way better. The basic .243 is a very poor case design that at best is always going to be a compromise. But just about anything the .243 will do the 6BR will be right on it's tail with less than i/4th the hassels
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If you say so, not been my experience. My 243 is and always has been a wonderful gun, it always done what I needed it to do and I've never been left wanting by it.
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If you say so, not been my experience. My 243 is and always has been a wonderful gun, it always done what I needed it to do and I've never been left wanting by it.
there's very little difference between the 6mm and the .243 from the shoulders back. But the neck is much better with the 6mm. Both rounds are near max bore capacity for a 24 caliber (per Ackley), but one is better. Better yet is to build a 6BG, and step back. It's similar to the .243 (1.552" shoulder deminsion) but with a 30 degree shoulder and a .33" neck length. Yet the case is formed out of a generic .243 case. Will push a 105 grain Amax to nearly 3000 fps without pressure problems, and the barrel will probably last 2000+ rounds
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Re: Out of the Box: Best Long Range Target Rifle/Caliber/Ammo Combo?

Joe what Gary is trying to say is that the 243 is a good round, just not for benchrest or long fast shot strings, with its 20* shoulder and short neck, rapid firing a 243 will destroy a barrel throat faster than a 6.5x284 because over 1/3 of the powder is burned outside the case, in the throat.
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Re: Out of the Box: Best Long Range Target Rifle/Caliber/Ammo Combo?

Thanks again for all your help guys. I really appreciate it.

I like this forum (and thread!) because it provides not just a tremendous amount of experience, but also the theory behind that experience.

As far as the 6mm is concerned, if I do go with that caliber, am I pretty much locking myself into reloading, or is that ammo readily available? I just checked my go-to ammo site: sgammo.com and noticed that they don't have any 6mm. Checking at luckygunner.com, then only have 2 choices.

Again I'm very new to this, but the limited availability of the rounds makes me a little leary.
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.25 MOA is a very high bar. There may be factory rifles here and there that will shoot .25 MOA groups from time to time, but you are very unlikely to acquire a factory rifle that will do that at all, let alone consistently. If you go the custom route, your odds improve, but even a custom rifle will not guarantee that level of accuracy.

That's the first issue. The second issue is shooter ability. Even from a bench, it takes pretty sound shooting fundamentals to get .25 MOA groups even as close as 100 yards.

With a good rifle that has a quality barrel, good handloads, and decent optics, .5 MOA is doable on a consistent basis. You may be able to better that by a little bit. I have two rifles that will. Neither of them will do .25 MOA though.

You don't need to go crazy with your scope just to shoot at the range. You need decent glass, reliably repeatable adjustments, adjustable parallax, and enough scope adjustment to get you to the 1000 yard mark. A 20 MOA base would also be helpful.

If you are not hunting, I see no reason to go with anything larger than a 7mm. In 7mm, I wouldn't go with a case any larger than the .284 Winchester (but I don't know of any factory rifles so chambered).

Something in the 6.5 or 6mm class would be a better bet. 6.5-284, 6.5x55, .260, 6.5 Creedmore, or 6.5x47 Lapua are all good options in a 6.5mm. The best performing 140g match bullets will require a 1:8 twist. I have a couple of rifles with 1:9 twists that handle 140 VLD's just fine, but that is kind a roll of the dice. 1:8 is a safer choice if you want to shoot the 140's.

As for 6mm, there are many options. Most of the popular benchrest rounds are, to my knowledge, not offered in factory rifles. However, the .243 is a very good option in the 6mm class. Just make sure you pay close attention to twist rate. The best 6mm bullets will require a 1:8 or 1:9 twist.

While you are in the research phase of your project, check out the cartridge guides on 6mmbr.com. There is a lot of useful information there.

As you reach out to extended ranges, you will quickly find that wind and mirage will be the biggest enemy of .5 MOA or smaller groups. That is where the science of riflery transforms into an art.
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