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Out of the Box: Best Long Range Target Rifle/Caliber/Ammo Combo?

 
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Old 11-11-2013, 02:27 AM
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Re: Out of the Box: Best Long Range Target Rifle/Caliber/Ammo Combo?

From the European point of view you should really buy a Sauer SSG (sniper rifle) 3000 or a Heym 21 Precision. Both guarantee 5 shot groups based on factory ammo(!!) with less than 20mm (0,7in) at 100m. Normally they do much better than that. They are hard to beat due to performance out of the box. Both have already prepared and installed mounting systems. Put on a glass of your choice (Vortex, Sightron?) and have fun.
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Old 11-11-2013, 11:02 AM
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I figger it'll take me 4-5 years to use up all the 22 caliber bullets & brass I have. I also have a lot of 9mm, .44, .45, & .30 cast bullets to shoot. I also have a very nice & expensive FX Cutlas 22 caliber air rifle with a target grade barrel and a very nice adjustable trigger. I have 15 guns to shoot. I have a full load just shooting all of my guns. I really doubt I'll have enough years left to take on another new project. I'd already changed my mind about any improved calibers that essentially eat up barrels. If I do decide on a larger caliber, I won't go larger than a 6mm. I'd then likely send the LRVP back to Savage and have it done by them.
If I had a range 10-15 minutes away, the time frame could change. I'll never have a range with more than 500 yards available either. Keep in mind, I'm just a paper puncher, I never wanted to compete in any shooting events. I prefer to compete only with myself. I've never felt a need or wanted to beat someone in competition. I also enjoy shooting alone with no distractions.
I love this website though and enjoy reading about others experiences & ideas such as yours & many of the other experienced people who visit this website.

Thanks Gary.

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I used to have access to a pair of 1000 meter military ranges about twenty minutes from my front door, but they're restricted now. I'd pay to shoot on them, and think most guys would as well. At the sametime I also had access to a 50 yard thru 400 yard private range, but three teen agers killed the owner and wounded his wife. Killed that one off as well, and it was nice & safe. So now I'm down to two or three ranges these days, but have one 1000 meter range that may open up to me.

I got into 22 rim fire bench rest a few years back. Was shooting very will in 100 yard bench rest, but actually had more trouble with the 50 yard stuff. Doesn't make a lick of sense I know! Then it got serious, and as most of us already it also gets a lot more expensive! I did build one rifle that shot pretty well, but still wouldn't run with the big dogs. It did place third at Calfee's Saturday night shoot, and that's a real though match to shoot in. On the otherhand there was about half the money in the barreled action than the rest of the top ten finishers. What killed 22 bench rest for me was not the price of the rifle, but the price of ammo! You have to really buy it in lots (not all lots of ammo shoots the same, so each lot is a gamble) of 1000 rounds, and the big boys are buy as much as 10,000 rounds! At $15 a hundred rounds (remember you gotta practice), it just blew by me. If your not shoot Federal Olympic Gold you ain't gonna win much. Add to this the fact that it cost as much to build that rim fire as most all centerfire bench guns, and it becomes a rich man's sport.
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Old 11-11-2013, 11:19 AM
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I've already talked to Effie a couple of times & you're right, she is very knowledgeable. She has had every answer at the top of her mind every time I've talked to her.
Actually, I can't think of any other options I might want.
I already have everything I need except my new Savage. My new Weaver scope came in last week & my new custom Farrel rings & base arrived a few days later. When my rifle arrives I'll glass bed the base, mount the scope, bore sight it & weather permitting, head for the range. In the meantime, I'll shoot my Remington 788 & my 221 Fireball, until it arrives.
I like shooting early in the morning when it's cooler & when the wind is the most calm.

I think I've become addicted to this website. There's no one close to where I live that knows much about guns.
if I wanted a Savage, and didn't have the action yet; I'd be looking at the PTA action with a nice barrel. You start out with an action that is three times stiffer than the conventional Savage action. A trigger that will go down to five or six ounces. It comes to you very strait (less than .002"), has a third bedding screw in the correct place and is perpendicular to the axis centerline. For $500, this one is a winner!

There's also the Savage custom shop option (about $1750), and you can order just about any caliber they now chamber or have chambered in the past. The built rifle comes with a proof target that has three shots from factory loaded ammo. The one I examined was chambered in 6BR, and the three shot target was about .180" using factory Federal ammo. P.S. tested one in 22-250 that also came with a sub .20" target. That gun in 6BR with good hand loads ought to be plain scarey!
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Old 11-11-2013, 12:04 PM
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if I wanted a Savage, and didn't have the action yet; I'd be looking at the PTA action with a nice barrel. You start out with an action that is three times stiffer than the conventional Savage action. A trigger that will go down to five or six ounces. It comes to you very strait (less than .002"), has a third bedding screw in the correct place and is perpendicular to the axis centerline. For $500, this one is a winner!

There's also the Savage custom shop option (about $1750), and you can order just about any caliber they now chamber or have chambered in the past. The built rifle comes with a proof target that has three shots from factory loaded ammo. The one I examined was chambered in 6BR, and the three shot target was about .180" using factory Federal ammo. P.S. tested one in 22-250 that also came with a sub .20" target. That gun in 6BR with good hand loads ought to be plain scarey!
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I have the Dual-Port "Left Load, Right Eject" Single Shot Target action on my Savage. I suspect it will compete on stiffness quite well compared to any of them out there. The stock also has 12 slots (5/16"x 1¾") 3 on each side & 6 on the bottom of the beavertail BR stock.
The trigger on this one is adjustable from 6oz to 18oz. I presently have it adjusted to 10 oz.
I only have 320 rounds thru it to date. I can't see for ****. After about 10 rounds things begin to look a little fuzzy. I blame a lot of it on my trifocals, which aren't suitable for shooting…… especially thru a scope. I recently ordered a new pair of glasses to my specifications which have a shorter focal length out of the top and more depth from the top of the frame to the next focal length. I have high hopes that they will help these 72 year old eyes shoot more consistently & better.
Most of my shooting has been load development with 6-7 different bullets & 4 different powders. I believe the barrel is worn in now, so I blame any bad groups mostly on myself & these lousy glasses.
I wish I'd have looked into getting a pair of specialty glasses before.

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Old 11-11-2013, 09:58 PM
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if I wanted a Savage, and didn't have the action yet; I'd be looking at the PTA action with a nice barrel. You start out with an action that is three times stiffer than the conventional Savage action. A trigger that will go down to five or six ounces. It comes to you very strait (less than .002"), has a third bedding screw in the correct place and is perpendicular to the axis centerline. For $500, this one is a winner!

There's also the Savage custom shop option (about $1750), and you can order just about any caliber they now chamber or have chambered in the past. The built rifle comes with a proof target that has three shots from factory loaded ammo. The one I examined was chambered in 6BR, and the three shot target was about .180" using factory Federal ammo. P.S. tested one in 22-250 that also came with a sub .20" target. That gun in 6BR with good hand loads ought to be plain scarey!
gary
Gary,

Believe me that 3 screw action is action is still at the top of the possibility list, but I'm just wondering if it would turn in a big enough difference in group size for a 308 vs. something with a mag? I don't mind going the custom shop route, as that is about the price of a 10 BA anyway.

I'm still leaning towards the 6.5 creedmoor round, but the 308 would be a second choice. I had read a lot of good things about the 10 BA, and the ammo is cheap, so that's why I gave that round/gun so much weight.

Does anyone know about some custom adjustable stocks from Savage?
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Old 11-11-2013, 11:46 PM
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Re: Out of the Box: Best Long Range Target Rifle/Caliber/Ammo Combo?

Don't forget the 6.5 Grendel as a very viable long range round.
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Old 11-12-2013, 09:19 AM
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Gary,

Believe me that 3 screw action is action is still at the top of the possibility list, but I'm just wondering if it would turn in a big enough difference in group size for a 308 vs. something with a mag? I don't mind going the custom shop route, as that is about the price of a 10 BA anyway.

I'm still leaning towards the 6.5 creedmoor round, but the 308 would be a second choice. I had read a lot of good things about the 10 BA, and the ammo is cheap, so that's why I gave that round/gun so much weight.

Does anyone know about some custom adjustable stocks from Savage?
The model 12 Palma has an adjustable cheek piece & the butt plate is adjustable for length of pull.
Go to the Savage Arms website & look at their Target Series.


Talk to Effie at Savage. She helped me a lot when I ordered what I wanted thru their custom shop. She can be reached at (800) 370-0708 or (413) 568-7001. If I recall correctly, I think it took about 3 months to get mine. This'd be a good time to order one if you don't plan on using it to hunt this Fall & Winter.

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