[img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]On the Nosler BT's I have never chased so, many,deer in my entire life!Using BT"S in 6mm,6.5,7mmag,270 and 30cal. I have 11 unopened factory sealed boxes in these caibers for sale if anyone is interested.I reall would not use them again.I never had this problem with the Rem.,win.fed.P.P.,S.P. etc.All shots were placed behind the shoulder.I killed a6pt. with the 7mag.first shot right behind the shoulder.He ran in front of me and stumbled in a fire lane and I shot him in the neck,I even seen the hair fly when the bullet hit.I still chased that deer another 100YRDS. Good luck,but as some have already said there are better bullets for deer.That's first hand experience.RLB2,in N.C. These deer were less than 100 yard shots.This bullet travels too fast for GOOD terminal performance.
It is often better to agree to disagree,rather than to argue about it !!! RLB2
Based on my own killing of whitetail deer here in PA this is what I have determined.
I use a 300 win mag and a 180gr Ballistic tip.
In the past 4 years (using that combo) I have killed 3 deer at 420 yards, 1 at 400 yards, 1 at 380 yards, 1 at 320 yards, 1 at 250 yards and 1 at 75 yards. None of the deer went further then 30 yards.
One doe that I shot at 420 yards was quartering away, shot just ahead of the left rump. The bullet went all the way thru the deer (diagonally) and exited just to the left of the right leg, breaking the leg as it exited. That deer somehow belly crawled 30 yards. Another I killed (broadside) at 420 yards was a spine shot and the exit hole was about 3" in diameter. The only deer shot (listed here) where the bullet did not go all the way thru was killed at 75 yards. That deer was airborne when I shot, the bullet entered just behind the right leg and it was slightly going away from me. The bullet went thru both lungs and broke the left shoulder/leg area from the inside but the bullet did not go thru the deer. That deer never went another step. In fact it fell over sideways never to go anywhere.
These are "MY" actual results - others may vary.
As far as using this combo on elk,,,, I wouldn't hesitate for a minute.
I would "place" my shot though - or I wouldn't squeeze the trigger.
I can't thank you all enough for taking the time to share your expierence with me. The BT's seem to be a fine bullet for smallish type whitetail. The one deer I took last year was almost certainly dead before she hit the ground. (25' away, neck shot just below the head,, not even a twitch w/ 90gr BT in a 243win)
I'm considering using the 142SMK in the 6.5x284 to hunt a bean field I may have access to this year. Looks like we'll have 75 acres across. That should provide a pretty decent long range shot. I haven't tried anything but the SMK's in the 6.5x284, but on paper they would seem to have plenty of ass left at 500 yards, which is about as far as I feel comfortable with off the range. (with rangefinder).
The 165 BT will be used in 308 this year, as well as the 90gr's previously mensioned for hunting in the thick under 150 yards. It's nice to be able to use a 6 lbs rifle to pick your spot and know you can hold offand as long as you need to. NOT possible with a 15lb rifle w/o sticks IMHO. (I may just be weak)
This is an interesting old thread, if any of you guys could have imagined the cost of Nosler BT in todays 2016 prices, I bet you would have really stocked up? At nearly $45 per 100 bullets they are about the same cost as Bergers! I am thinking Nosler is getting a bit carryed away with current pricing of these bullets, and quit buying them and now use Hornadys SST with spectacular results for around half the price!
I've shot or seen shot a rsilroad car full of deer in the 50+ years I've been chasing them, with every cartridge/bullet combination you'd could imagine. This ballistic tip is extremely accurate BUT at high velocity causes more damage than any bullet I've ever seen ! A shoulder shot at under 50 yards causes half the deer to be wasted. The worst I've ever seen was a 95 grain .243 at 20 yards, it looked like a grenade hit the animal, what a waste! They might be alright from 150 yards out but never up close and personal..
If you will go to the Nosler web site and read about the Ballistic Tip bullets you will see that the GAME HUNTING bullets are designed for thin skin game and the impact velocity should be kept below 3100 or 3200 FPS and above I think it is 1400 FPS.
In my experience of shooting a whole bunch of white tail deer and seeing a lot of white tail deer that have been shot with BTs I want my impact velocity to be under 3000 fps and above 1800 fps. Nosler has change the BT about three times since it came out. It was WAY too fragile when it first came out and it got a really bad long lasting reputation as a supper explosive bullet and game really ran off and a lot got lost because of very little blood trail left. They finally got it right in my experience. I have not killed any deer over 600 yards with a BT but keeping within the impact velocity listed THEY WORK really well. My favorite 30 cal. BT for 200 lb and under deer is the 125 BT. Keeping impact under 3000 fps out of my 308 Win it just BANG FLOPS deer out to a touch over 300 yards so far. I shoot it in my 30x47 at 2850 fps and in my Contender pistol 30-30AI 14" barrel at 2670 fps. It kills awesomely. I use the 120 BT in my 6.5x55 at 3000 fps and it works fine. In my limited use with the Accubond limited to the 130 gr .264 at 3350 fps from my 264 Win mag on about 15 deer is it is the best of both worlds. Flies like the BT starts to open up like the BT but holds together like the Partition from 30 to a touch over 500 yards so far. Everything I have shot with it was DRT. Might give that a run in the 6.5-284 instead of the MK which in my experience using it on deer is a flip of the coin if it expands or not. My experience of killing deer has been 40 years and doing crop damage control for 15 years where 100 deer a year had to be taken off a big NC farm. Learned a few things along the way.