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Old 11-27-2010, 01:36 AM
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new to the site, questions about my rifle

hi everyone my name is Dustin and im from north central arkansas. i am new to this site and new to shooting over 500y but i have allways been interested in long range shooting just never had a rifle set up for it. currently i have a weatherby vanguard in 7mm rem mag that my dad bought for me years ago. over the last few weeks i've been doing alot of research and i have found a few upgrades for my rifle but i know that its not a very popular gun. not nearly as popular as the rem 700. my question is should i mess with this rifle at all or should i leave it alone and start all over with a rem 700? i'm going to guess that the answer will be start with a rem 700 and even if i do that i still want to improve this weatherby as well because it shoots well now for a outta the box hunting rifle. it is holding 1 moa out to 400y and honestly i have not shot it much past that very many times. all opinions and advice will be great.

thanks

Dustin
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Old 11-27-2010, 12:37 PM
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Re: new to the site, questions about my rifle

Welcome to LRH,

Sorry, but have to answer your question with a question.

Is your rifle shooting moa with factory ammo? Or is that with the best most precise handload you can develop??

Have you modified the gun any at all yet? Bedding the action, trigger job or Timney replacement, ect.??

What kind of optics are you using to shoot 4" groups at 400 yds??

If you're shooting factory and the rifle hasn't been modified or improved any by a good gunsmith........I think it's got potential. If you're shooting with a 3-9 scope that has thick crosshairs and no parallax adjustment.....I think it's got potential.

My longest successful shots out hunting have been made with Ruger 77's. They needed a little minor improving and well tuned handloads, but it didn't cost me as much as a new rifle would have, and I eventually shot the barrels out of them after many years.

Yes, the Rem 700 is like the 350 Chevy engine used to be; everyone made performance parts for it. But that didn't mean it was always the winner of the race.

Best of Luck!
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Old 11-27-2010, 10:04 PM
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Re: new to the site, questions about my rifle

those groups were with 150gr hand loaded barnes X...i had them loaded for me so not sure about the details exactly of the rounds...the optics suck that i am changing soon, i had a bushnell 4-12 with a thick crosshair i didnt like it at all

as far as mods it has none at all, bone stock outta the box
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Old 11-27-2010, 10:32 PM
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Re: new to the site, questions about my rifle

The weatherby vanguard is a good starting point. Its the same as the HOWA 1500.

As for after market parts, yes there are not as many, but what do you really need?
Stocks--Joel Russo,B&C,McMillan,and Manners
Triggers--Timmney, Tuned Factory(pretty good),
Bases--EGW offers 20 MOA
The only issue if you can call it one is the barrel threads are metric. No big deal for most smiths.

The action is very strong and usually tighter tolerances than Rem 700. Extractor is better.

As you can tell I am a fan, I just put a 308 together for my brother to shoot tactical matches..The thing holds .5-.6 MOA ALL DAY!

If i were you i would start hand loading first. With anything you build, to get the best out of it, you will have to hand load.

After that, I would look at a better stock or having yours glass bedded. The weatherby vanguard will not have the resale value of a Rem, But i believe you will have a better system than a Rem.
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Old 11-27-2010, 10:52 PM
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Re: new to the site, questions about my rifle

Dustin,

Welcome to the LRH site. Where are you in north central Arkansas? I live in the Searcy area.

If you are close and want to bring your rifle out sometime I would be happy to look it over and offer some advice on how to set it up for long range shooting. If the rifle shoots well and you are happy with the 7mm caliber you would probably be better off working with it for now and using the money you would spend on another rifle on better optics or other "necessities" for long range shooting. I assume here in AR you are mainly hunting whitetails. The 7mm rem mag is plenty of rifle for whitetails at well over the 500 yard mark you mentioned. You are correct that the WBY action is not all that popular for building a custom rifle, but that does not mean they do not or cannot be made to shoot well. I have a custom rifle built on a MK IV action and many others on this site have customized and factory WBY rifles that shoot very well indeed.

just post me a reply here or send a PM if you want to get together sometime and check out your rifle. I have a range here at my house where we can shoot to 1000+ yards. I am headed to KS for a deer hunt next week, but after that I should be around.
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Old 11-27-2010, 11:50 PM
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Re: new to the site, questions about my rifle

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The weatherby vanguard is a good starting point. Its the same as the HOWA 1500.

As for after market parts, yes there are not as many, but what do you really need?
Stocks--Joel Russo,B&C,McMillan,and Manners
Triggers--Timmney, Tuned Factory(pretty good),
Bases--EGW offers 20 MOA
The only issue if you can call it one is the barrel threads are metric. No big deal for most smiths.

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yeah i have allready found all those parts on midway usa's website and allready plan on buying those parts...just havnt figured out which rings to go with the base....so that settles it i will be building this rifle....also i like the Bell n C medalist stock but its for short action only

RDM i am from Ashflat so searcy isnt that far away its like 1.5 hrs so yeah we will get together sometime

also i am looking at loading equipment also because i know that i will have to load my own for consistancy.....yall have any sugestions for equipment?.....from what i hear the 140gr bullets shoot the best in a 7mm so i'm looking at 140 bergers
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Old 11-28-2010, 09:11 AM
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Re: new to the site, questions about my rifle

Dustin,

If you are not familiar with Sinclair you should check out their site, request a catalog it is easier to look through and mark things.....

You will need at minimum:

Press............ RCBS is hard to beat, but I have a Forster co-ax as well and like it better for most applications.

Calipers........ get a digital set they are not that expensive

Case Trimmer........ RCBS is good. Wilson is the best (IMHO)

Powder measure....... I like digital and use an RCBS loadmaster, balance beam type will work just fine for starters though.

Case neck de-burr tool.......... about any will do.

Case lube...... I use Imperial Sizing Die Wax, Hornady One Shot is an easy to use spray lube. I don't like the RCBS lube with the foam pad.

Primer tray, case holders, shell holders, and of course dies.

That will pretty much get you started, but there are many more things you will need to accumulate. Here are a few more things I use on a regular basis.

Hand primer seating tool............ go with the Sinclair, expensive but worth it
Primer pocket uniformer
Flash hole de-burr tool
Neck trimmer
Hand de-priming tool
Device for measuring "run out"
Various other measuring devices for measuring neck thickness and other things as you get more precise in you loading.

Probably leaving something out, but that is all I can think of right now. Everyone develops their own style, so some of the other guys may have some "essentials" that I forgot or don't use.
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