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Old 05-24-2014, 04:00 PM
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Re: New bullet maker that looks interesting

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I just ordered 200 of their 30 cal 230 gr TAC-PM RBT in the "Match Grade" version
https://whiskey3precisionsystems.com...&product_id=61
Gonna see how they compare to the Berger 230's
Planning on burning up 50 bullets in 300 Rum w/RL33 and 50 in my 7.62 PRO

Saving the other 100 bullets for my 300 Werewolf (almost done)

if the bc of .8469 is real, gonna be awesome at 3500 fps
Awesome Swamplord, looking forward to a report back!
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Old 05-24-2014, 06:10 PM
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If the 175 had the same form factor as the 190s you're shooting it would put their BC at .537 G1. Not bad for a 175 grain pill. If they could be made with the same form factor as the 215 hybrid (if even possible) they would still fall noticeably short of the .6 mark. About .566 G1. Velocity aside, it's all in the section density and form factor. Even though different barrel characteristics will alter the form factor causing small variances between rifles, the percentage of differences is very minor. It's just not possible to make a 175 grain 30 cal bullet much more than .550 G1 if at all. If you need or want higher BCs, you have to go heavier or with a larger caliber along with heavy for caliber bullets.
Exactly. We now know enough about BC equations and concepts to recognize right out of the gate the unrealistic promotional-based BCs. If Nosler does it, can't hardly blame the smaller shops for following a leader.

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Old 05-25-2014, 05:05 AM
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Re: New bullet maker that looks interesting

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if the bc of .8469 is real, gonna be awesome at 3500 fps
Those are not going to run as hard as the burgers. They will require more pressure due to additional bearing surface. Be careful you should hit maximum pressure at a lower velocity with these.
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Old 05-25-2014, 10:15 AM
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Those are not going to run as hard as the burgers. They will require more pressure due to additional bearing surface. Be careful you should hit maximum pressure at a lower velocity with these.
You are 100% correct!

I have experienced that same situation with the 300 gr Accubonds in my 338 Edge using RL 25 & H-1000, I could barely get over 2800 fps before pressures spiked quickly with small increments of powder added .

The solution was to coat the Accubonds with WS2 (Tunsten Disulfide) and prepping the bore with the same stuff mixed with alcohol as a delivery agent , the results were very impressive ! I ran out of powder space before pressuring out and velocity approached 3000 fps, backing down to 2900 fps yielded 3 shot groups in .2 & .3's, I ended up shooting 40 rnds one evening with a .5 average. barrel is a 30" 9.5 Twist Obermeyer, Rem 700 action that has not been trued/ blueprinted etc.

Also in my recent testing and load development for my wildcat 375 PRO (375-338 Norma Imp 35 deg.)
Naked 300 gr Accubonds and A-Frame's pressured out at 2750 & 2800 fps but coated bullets easily reached 3000 fps with an accuracy node at 2950 fps & 3 shot groups in the .2 & .3's ( 27" 12 twist Brux bbl) also Rem 700, not accurized !

Have been using WS2 for over a decade, it was the only method I found that enabled me to reach and exceed Lazzeroni's 3550 fps 180 gr claims with the 7.82 Warbird in a Sako TRGS and factory 26" bbl , poor quality brass was the weak link in that scenario, the cartridge itself is fantastic

The bc's of those Whiskey Three bullets do sound magical but the guy is adamant they are accurate, citing that the methods used to get those #'s is similar to Bergers !

Some guys have been stung with Noslers ABLR bc claims and will sit back and watch, I could never find any of the 210 gr 30 cal bullets but will play with the Whiskey's and will pester them relentlessly to provide us with 300 gr, 330 gr and 350 gr .375 caliber long range bullets to fill that hole we are are experiencing in that 3/8 bore dept.
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Old 05-25-2014, 10:30 AM
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Re: New bullet maker that looks interesting

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You are 100% correct!

I have experienced that same situation with the 300 gr Accubonds in my 338 Edge using RL 25 & H-1000, I could barely get over 2800 fps before pressures spiked quickly with small increments of powder added .

The solution was to coat the Accubonds with WS2 (Tunsten Disulfide) and prepping the bore with the same stuff mixed with alcohol as a delivery agent , the results were very impressive ! I ran out of powder space before pressuring out and velocity approached 3000 fps, backing down to 2900 fps yielded 3 shot groups in .2 & .3's, I ended up shooting 40 rnds one evening with a .5 average. barrel is a 30" 9.5 Twist Obermeyer, Rem 700 action that has not been trued/ blueprinted etc.

Also in my recent testing and load development for my wildcat 375 PRO (375-338 Norma 30 deg.)
Naked 300 gr Accubonds and A-Frame's pressured out at 2750 & 2800 fps but coated bullets easily reached 3000 fps with an accuracy node at 2950 fps & 3 shot groups in the .2 & .3's ( 27" 12 twist Brux bbl) also Rem 700, not accurized !

Have been using WS2 for over a decade, it was the only method I found that enabled me to reach and exceed Lazzeroni's 3550 fps 180 gr claims with the 7.82 Warbird in a Sako TRGS and factory 26" bbl , poor quality brass was the weak link in that scenario, the cartridge itself is fantastic

The bc's of those Whiskey Three bullets do sound magical but the guy is adamant they are accurate, citing that the methods used to get those #'s is similar to Bergers !

Some guys have been stung with Noslers ABLR bc claims and will sit back and watch, I could never find any of the 210 gr 30 cal bullets but will play with the Whiskey's and will pester them relentlessly to provide us with 300 gr, 330 gr and 350 gr .375 caliber long range bullets to fill that hole we are are experiencing in that 3/8 bore dept.
You guys are on the money with your take on these bullets. I am pretty sure that they are the same bullet I have been making for about 7 years. They use the same tips, probably the same jacket, and I'll bet, sister dies! They DO have more bearing surface than say a Berger of the same weight, which does create more pressure. This is why the 215 Berger hybrids will equal the velocity on their 210's (bearing surface)They are very accurate and do a number on game at long range especially. As far as b.c. goes, you can probably use this as a very close approximation for his bullets. My 190SXR is .311 G7 and my 208's are .345 bc. (these are actual)
How often do you have to reapply the WS2? Do you notice any cleaning differences etc.?........thanks/Rich
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Old 05-25-2014, 12:12 PM
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Re: New bullet maker that looks interesting

Here are acouple of pics of my SXR's for comparison:[ATTACH]35115[/ATTACH
Couldn't get the 208 to upload
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New bullet maker that looks interesting-dscf0865.jpg  
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Old 05-25-2014, 12:20 PM
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Ok, here is the 208.......New bullet maker that looks interesting-dscf0818.jpg
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