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Old 12-27-2012, 09:51 PM
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Re: new barrel break in

So Gale McMillan believes barrel break in is "not necessary". Does that mean we all follow it or let the result speak for itself ... hopefully the accuracy, ease of cleaning/less fouling and other advantages, etc ... Is he the only barrel maker that believes on this practice? Most premium barrel makers such as Bartlein, Krieger, Lilja, Pac-Nor, Shilen, do recommend a barrel break-in process.

Similarly, another famous pioneer, considered way ahead of his time also made a comment on barrel lapping ..."No need for it, just wears the barrel out!" P.O. Ackley. (http://www.border-barrels.com/articles/bmart.htm)

Contrary to Ackley's dictum, lapping will add to the accurate life of a barrel, not detract from it ... and thus barrel makers lapped their barrels with excellent result as presented by Lilja's borescope video in #9.

Just saying ...
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Old 12-28-2012, 08:19 AM
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Re: new barrel break in

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So Gale McMillan believes barrel break in is "not necessary". Does that mean we all follow it or let the result speak for itself ... hopefully the accuracy, ease of cleaning/less fouling and other advantages, etc ... Is he the only barrel maker that believes on this practice? Most premium barrel makers such as Bartlein, Krieger, Lilja, Pac-Nor, Shilen, do recommend a barrel break-in process.

Similarly, another famous pioneer, considered way ahead of his time also made a comment on barrel lapping ..."No need for it, just wears the barrel out!" P.O. Ackley. (http://www.border-barrels.com/articles/bmart.htm)

Contrary to Ackley's dictum, lapping will add to the accurate life of a barrel, not detract from it ... and thus barrel makers lapped their barrels with excellent result as presented by Lilja's borescope video in #9.

Just saying ...


Very well said !!!!!

It is still the choice of every gun owner to breakin or not, And individual experiences with there
firearms.

I hear - Don,t use bronze brushes and then hear don,t use nylon, use this solvent or that solvent,
clean every shot, clean after 15 or 20 shots,or dont clean until the accuracy falls off.

Whats a person to believe?

I think every person should try different methods and use what works for him.

I have already stated what I think is the best, but if a product comes along that shows an
improvement, I will try it and evaluate it to my needs and requirements and make the
nessary changes in pursuit of a better shooting firearm.

You can teach an old dog new tricks. And not to long ago a friend recomended the use of
another bore cleaner, (Just what I needed, I already use 3 or 4 depending on the severity
of the fouling in some of the weapons I see or own.

Some solvents are very aggressive and work well on badly fouled factory barrels but you cant
leave them in the bore very long (4 or 5 minutes) I never use these solvents on custom barrels.

Next is the solvents that work well but need more time to do there job (15 to 20 minutes before removal is nessary.

Them there are mild solvents that can be left in the bore longer. I use these to remove the more
aggressive solvents before final cleaning.

I am not trusting enough to leave bore solvent in the bore indefinitely so I do not practice this.

The solvent that my friend recomended was Bore Tec and it has worked out very well in some
cases and will be added to my arsenal of solvents.

So like everything else there is no "ONE" best anything, just what gives you confidence that what
you are doing is best for you and your needs.

Just another opinion.

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Old 12-28-2012, 08:47 AM
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Re: new barrel break in

Thanks to whoever posted the Lilja barrel video. It really makes me want to buy a bore laser scope as I saw for the first time what a barrel should look like. That explains to me what the potential accuracy can be. It seems that if you start out with a great barrel you want to mazimize it's accuracy. And if you don't have a good barrel what should be done with it? I guess the definition of accuracy is important all other things consider. Good barrels should be cherished and taken care of and crap ones either scrap or use for plinking? Where do I find a good borescope and how much should I pay? It seems like a great investment, saves in shooting costs and time.
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Thanks to whoever posted the Lilja barrel video. It really makes me want to buy a bore laser scope as I saw for the first time what a barrel should look like. That explains to me what the potential accuracy can be. It seems that if you start out with a great barrel you want to mazimize it's accuracy. And if you don't have a good barrel what should be done with it? I guess the definition of accuracy is important all other things consider. Good barrels should be cherished and taken care of and crap ones either scrap or use for plinking? Where do I find a good borescope and how much should I pay? It seems like a great investment, saves in shooting costs and time.
You're quite welcome! If you want the same set up as Lilja, you might to give Dan Lilja a call. He's a very nice guy and easy to talk to. Also, FYSA, Lilja can video tape borescope of your barrel for a nominal fee of $25.

Good luck!

Ed
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:30 AM
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Re: new barrel break in

Note also that the way one tests a given barrel for accuracy will have quite a spread of results across a few dozen people.
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Note also that the way one tests a given barrel for accuracy will have quite a spread of results across a few dozen people.
The same is true with machines, thus tolerances are set.
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Old 12-28-2012, 12:53 PM
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Re: new barrel break in

I never really looked at break in as a way to improve accuracy and have heard or read of few cases where it did and have never seen any difference with my barrels. So all though possible I don't think readers should expect much different in accuracy. It's a possibility and apparently JE has seen improved accuracy, but I see break in as primarily a bore conditioning procedure to make cleaning easier and less frequently required.

As far as which products are best, there's a simple way to test that if you don't have a bore scope. If you think you have removed all the copper with a product, then follow up with another product, such as Bore Tech. The best copper removing products I have used have been Wipe Out Foam, Gun Slick Foam and Bore Tech. I would rate Gun Slick Foam slightly less than Wipe Out and Bore Tech. Bore Tech is a little more labor intensive than Wipe Out but much quicker,

I have tested Bore Tech against numerous other products including, Montana Xtreme, KG 12 and Butches Bore Shine. In my experiences, Bore Tech always removed more copper after those products were showing white patches. Bore Tech and Wipe Out are also safe. They will not damage your bore with long soakings.

Here's a good thread on the topic...

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