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Need some Bullet Advice for Elk

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Unread 09-21-2005, 08:31 PM
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Re: Need some Bullet Advice for Elk

let's get the bullet argument going Ric said,the MK works well at long range, but i've seen it fail miserably 2 different times.

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Ok if you want. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] Though you'll have to add a few zeros to that 2 in order for it to be fair. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

Does anybody really think that two-hundred and twenty grains of lead and copper shot into any non-dangerous herbivore wont kill it? I mean, you do relize, that they were killed for centuries by little round balls inside cotten... Dont you? This place is starting to sound like accurate reloading. Where did all the expierenced LR hunters go?

dakor, use whichever shoots best all the way to your maximum range and go hunting.
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Unread 09-21-2005, 08:55 PM
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Re: Need some Bullet Advice for Elk

Dave's expereince is the same as mine. Match bullets at ranges under 50 yds are not reliable.

Up close (under 50 yds) I would rather have a muzzle loader with the round ball than a centerfire rifle with a match bullet. With the little round ball I know I made it myself and that it will not blow up on the hide. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Unread 09-21-2005, 09:02 PM
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Re: Need some Bullet Advice for Elk

If i expected to be shooting @500yds or more I'd use the Sierra. I haven't used that caliber, but the 250 Sierra has worked well for me in my 338 Win Mag. One limitation I put on the big Sierra, is that I won't take a shoulder shot with it. Since you're going to an area you're not familar with, I'd suggest using the 200 gr Accubond. Although I've never used that bullet, it seems to have worked exceptionally well for many here and should perform better at close range than the Sierra.
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Unread 09-21-2005, 09:07 PM
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Re: Need some Bullet Advice for Elk


Does anybody really think that two-hundred and twenty grains of lead and copper shot into any non-dangerous herbivore wont kill it?

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In a perfect circumstance, yes. But that statement alone is like a foundation built on sand. Here's a similar argument: Are we to believe that a 1 ounce shotgun slug will not put any deer down if shot within, say 125 yards? You'd think with that much lead, a big IOWA buck would go down 100% of the time. I lived and hunted there for 5 seasons. 4/5 years I killed a buck (wih my bow) that had a shotgun slug embedded in the shoulder, neck, rump. A friend of mine shot a nice buck with his 44 Rem mag pistol at 11 steps. He found 2 shotgun lead slugs in it. It had 2 abcessess from old infections.

In one sense, I am comparing shotgun slugs to MK bullets, short range to long range, but the concept is the same. Do they kill based on weight? ( which you brought up).

MK for long range, yes. However, there are always the closer shots than expected. I still live in the midwest and only a shotgun is permitted for deer unless you use a ML. I wouldn't dream of hunting a deer with a shotgun.

I have personally had 100% success with Mk on deer, even as close as 35 yards. But the argument that I read isn't really whether or not the MK will kill, but instead, how fast will it anchor the animal and what is the track record for any given distance.

Starting to sound like AR? Why? Advice was requested regarding bullets and elk and members are responding....nothing wrong with posting opinions based on experience. Obviously this holds true for us shooters that do indeed use MK for game.

Of the three bullets, TSX, AB, and MK, which do you believe has the highest probability of "failure" at any given distance? Failure, meaning, not anchoring the game within a few yards from where hit, since we've already established that all 3 will kill.
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Unread 09-21-2005, 10:25 PM
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Re: Need some Bullet Advice for Elk

Anchoring an animial has nothing to do with the bullet.

It depends on the what state the animal is in and WHERE you hit them

Just like Archery hunting. You cant say that one broadhead or mechanical broadhead will anchor the animal all the time.But if shot in the right spot stick them like a hog in a hog roast . Shot Placemant.
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Unread 09-22-2005, 07:34 AM
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Re: Need some Bullet Advice for Elk

Wow I didn't see this comming. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] Well I will add a few things in here. I do not think you can compare a 270 matchking to a 30 cal matchking as the 30cal has a lot more weight and has a thicker jacket and so on. Now with that said I was asked which bullet would fail out of the Barnes TSX, the Accubond, and the SMK at any given distance. I really have not been impressed with the TSX's wound channel. I have shot several deer with different calibers and all the results were the same. A small little round hole and I mean small. I shot a deer at 50 yards through the ribs last year with a 300 RUM and a 200gr TSX it looked like I drilled a hole through him and not much energy was transfered into the animal as he ran about 75 yards before going down. I also shot one with my 375 H&H with a 300 TSX and it did about the same. I would not feel comfortable shooting that bullet at long range as I believe it is to hard and would not expand well. By heart I am a Nosler guy I have shot almost all my game with Nosler bullets of some kind or another. I hear the same thing about there Ballistic Tip comming apart. I have seen it come apart inside an animal but I have never seen and animal not die from that bullet and most of the time it is bang flop stone dead. Has anyone on here had good success with the 220 SMK even on close shots? I am leaning twords the 200 Accubond right now just because it is a Nosler and after thinking about all the game I have shot with there bullets. I would still like to hear if anyone is using the 220 SMK.
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Unread 09-22-2005, 07:45 AM
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Re: Need some Bullet Advice for Elk

I don't know if he is capable of building them right now but you could try a heavy jacketed 190gr WildCat bullet. He sent me some a while back and they are a great looking bullet.

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