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Old 03-27-2012, 12:32 AM
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Re: "Need" a large caliber

I love the wsm and I have one....................but specifically for 1000 Elk..........I want my 338..............wsm ,7mm they can all do it but the extra thump of the 300 grain bullets is very apparent at 1000. I would do the lapua if it was someone else's money but for my money the 338 edge on standard $335 savage long action and a good barrel, decent glass and a solid stock is more than enough for anything.............. Yes, I am cheap. But I am determined to convince the world this game can be played without a trust fund.
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Old 03-27-2012, 12:34 AM
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Re: "Need" a large caliber

Wow, very much appreczite the feedback and enthusiasum. I do hope to make an annual "bigger" game trip out of state to hunt mulies or elk, and God willling someday moose, carribou, or any other great eating game. I am welcoming this opportunity to get some valued training from a former Montana elk guide and hope to grow from there.

I do pretty insane hikes out here on the West Coast when hunting. All day hikes typically, usually for a couple consecutive days throughout the season. I like to move fast, even on VERY steep terrain when required. I can see the value in going into the backcountry for extended periods with a pack and say horses, but have not yet at least while hunting. As far as what it will be like this year, I just dont know...how much hiking vs. setting up and glassing. It seems to me that getting to remote spots, then glassing ideal spots would be ideal in many areas. Again I can only imagine the abilities unlocked with a skill like the ones you all describe.

I'd like to practice as frequently as possible, however out here that may be once or twice a month and more around hunting season. Certainly initially I would have t o put more time in consistently. I would like at least the ability to shoot 1K in a decent group under great target situations...having confident kill shots at that range at least now seems like a pipedream but I would like to have the device that can take me there if I can.


Having a couple "larger" caibers already, amongst other smaller calibers, I am ultimately looking for my beast, with the understanding that I may not be buying another platform for years, maybe lots. The 338LM for me seems like part cop out, and part confidence. I like the idea of working with the one rifle over time to make it work for me and always be more than capable for what I ask. Also, if I were to build something else up to acheive similar capabilities, it seems like I have to have more experience? It seems my sacrifice with the 338LM will be its size and capabiltiies intially.

Another question, I have heard of removable muzzle brakes...what is that all about? On for target off for hunting? Why have it off hunting? Reloading....not into it yet but understand that it seems like a manadatory thing in this world. And like fishing, you'd better enjoy the prep time as much as the "action" time. I'll keep reading on the site and will ask questions as long as folks want to comment. Again, totally appreciate the your time, thanks for the ideas and feedback.

-J

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Old 03-27-2012, 12:46 AM
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Re: "Need" a large caliber

If it were me, I would Forget the on and off brake and instead get a good baffle style brake and a game ear devise to protect you wile hunting. They work good.
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:30 AM
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Re: "Need" a large caliber

The problem with removable brakes is that they change your point of impact usually. That means that you need to check your zero if you pull it off or put it back on. Im not a fan of that.

Since your backpacking, I would look at the .338-.378 in a weatherby accumark as well. Pretty much ready to go for 1000 yards out of the box (after bedding).
The other route that I have gone is to buy a Rem XCR in .338 RUM and put in some real elbow grease getting it to shoot. Im comfortable to 1k with mine, but I need alot of time for set up... its a pretty light gun.

Alot of manufacturers are starting to make Lapua's now, which is great. The Lapua is a great cartridge and if you choose that route you wont be sorry. When I bought my .338 RUM they only had the Sako's offering the Lapua and that was out of my price range.

Whatever you do dont skimp on optics! Like liltank says nightforce, leupold or vortex. turrts are a must IMO, just make sure they have a zero-stop. I have a Mark 4's and a Vortex PST and I have only ever bumped the turrett on the M4 once, and only 1/4 MOA... and that was because it was in and out of my eberlestock scabbard.
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:52 AM
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Re: "Need" a large caliber

OP, I can see you have given considerable thought to the subject which is great (it's not always the case). Savage is making some Lapuas right now that are shooting Very well with included acceptable trigger, muzzle break & workable stock. As far as a factory option goes, these will be among the most economical & at or close to the top of the list in accuracy potential.

As Angus stated DO NOT scrimp on optics, if it seems to good to be true, you can bet it is. The Leupy VX-III line has target turrest & threaded caps to protect them. The MK4's don't, but I never had any trouble with mine, I also have a MK4 M5-A which has an auto locking elevation turret but you are north of 2k with that particular optic. NightForce has exposed turrest but they are designed to be pretty darn resistent to unwanted adjustments. I can't tell you anything about Vortex, don't have any. My next will probably be a USO, but then again they can be anywhere from 2K-almost 4k

Your rifle is only as accurate as your Optics, we can't stress that enough. keep us posted on what you decide.
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Old 03-27-2012, 10:15 AM
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Re: "Need" a large caliber

Like it was suggested, just get a muzzle break and leave it on. Trust, you don't want to fire a Lapua w/o a break. I fired one w/o a break and the rifle even weighed 22 pounds. It was okay for a few shots, but you had to hold on to that sucker or it would mess you up. He put a break on it, and you can sit on the bench all day w/o as much as a red mark on your shoulder.

As far as a custom rifle is concerned, sounds like a good option for you. You have some specific requirements that would need to be filled due to your desire to hike. You need a light gun and you won't find that in a factory rifle. The 338-378 is a great suggestion, but the Lapua is just as good. Your looking at $90 a box of ammo and up for these calibers. Might as well make the best of it with a rifle tailored to you and your needs. Sounds like you have a pretty good gun collection and the ability to use them. Don't let the distance scare you. Just practice is required, that's all. You could build a very effective Lapua or Weatherby in a 9-10lb rifle that is controllable with a good muzzle break. Carry a set of ear muffs, plugs, or game ears to shoot. You will have time to use them when long range hunting.
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Old 03-27-2012, 10:20 AM
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Re: "Need" a large caliber

Here's rifle that will fill your needs. You could probably find someone here that will reload for you for the cost of components and their time. If you should order this from Len (owner of this sight), he could probably find a load for the rifle he sells you, and give you the information to pass on to someone who can load it for you.

338 Edge

This caliber will work for you all the way out to around 1200 yards. I would specify that you want to use the Berger 300 grain bullet. It will be all the rifle you need for years.
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