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my reloads suck?!?!?!?

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Unread 10-04-2004, 06:55 AM
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Re: my reloads suck?!?!?!?

I understand entirely what you mean Kraky, when you talk about reloading. Bottom line, you have to give that barrel/rifle what it wants. Forget what you want, or what your buddy is shooting. Too many times we as reloaders (me included!) get set on a specific bullet, powder or primer that we want the rifle to shoot and the barrel harmonics just don't jive.
Case in point: I have a good shooting buddy who had a Browning BAR in .270 Win that usually averaged 1/2" or better (with reloads). He traded the thing for another BAR in .25-06 and it shoots 1.25-1.50" if he's lucky. Most of the time groups are around 2"! He has been fighting this rifle for about 2 weeks now and still hasn't gotten it to shoot worth a hoot. I've been in contact with him pretty much the whole time. He has tried every powder he has, even bought a can or two to try. He told me Saturday that he has already shot 4 boxes of 100gr Ballistic Tips and still nothing. He asked what I shot in mine? Ans: 100gr Ballistic Tips and 100gr Barnes TSX with RL22 and CCI BR2's (I shoot a Sendero SF). He refuses to try the Barnes because he doesn't like "copper bullets". I even offered him some free. He did buy a lb of RL22, even though he has said in the past he doesn't like Alliant or Hodgdon. I've suggested that maybe his barrel would like the Sierra 90gr HP, 115gr NBT, Sierra 120gr HPBT, Partitions, SST's. Bottom line: he wants that 100gr Ballistic Tip to shoot. It's fun to watch a drama in the making, deer season opens in 12 days! LOL. Johnny K.
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Unread 10-05-2004, 02:55 AM
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Re: my reloads suck?!?!?!?

I can relate to finding the right load as I bought a 22/250 and sellected a bullet with a nice BC and I was getting 2 inch groups if lucky. I played around with powders, seating depth, floating the barrel and working the trigger with no luck. I forgot about what "I" wanted (a heavier bullet for goats & small deer species) and tried a 50gr and instant 1/2 inch groups. It appears the barrel twist on 22/250's, in alot of cases, are suited to getting the highest velocities so tend to be talored more to the lighter projectiles. I had a similar experience with my 7mmRM and went from my accurate 130 & 150 grainers to the Hornady A-Max 162gr and the groups went from 3/4 inch to 2. The right weight projectile for the barrel twist I found has an awefull lot to do with accuracy. [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]
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Unread 10-05-2004, 03:20 AM
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Re: my reloads suck?!?!?!?

in addition to the good advice that has been posted, get a bullet comparator on some of your factory ammo and find the oal, and then try this length with your homeloads.

i know a few guys who couldn't get reloads to work but factory stuff was good. they increased the bullet jump to 120thou, which was the same as their factory stuff and low and behold, it shot a treat. this big jump goes against accuracy convention but it is worth a try.

what shape are your 2" groups?

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Unread 10-14-2004, 08:38 PM
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Re: my reloads suck?!?!?!?

What Kraky said. I bougth a box of Hornady 154grIB & can't get them to shoot in my .280 or 7mm Dakota. Both rifles shoot great w/ just about any other bullet, but hate the SST/IB from Hornady.
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Unread 01-29-2008, 01:36 AM
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Bad reloads??

Naw......use that 7600 for Boat Anchor material and then.....go get ya a REAL RIFLE!!
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Monte Walsh
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Unread 01-29-2008, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by kraky View Post
Some guns just don't like "some" bullets. If you don't want to buy more 30 cal bullets see if you can get 10-15 of some other brands from a buddy. I've had great luck with plain jane hornady interlock flat bases. I had a 308 blr that was finicky and I was trying all sorts of upscale bullets. Then finally went to 150 grain interlocks and it really shot well. I've have seen lots of complaints on the 165sst for accuracy--but then again have seen some real success stories. 4350 many times is a real good powder for the rem auto's. I have a friend that I introduced to reloading and he used to get really beat up necks on his brass after ejection. He's now using 4350 and the problem has disappeared.

Very good words here---pay attention..
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Unread 01-29-2008, 05:40 PM
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I have a rem 700 in 3006 and have handloaded with 165 sst. I seated them to just touch and use ADI 2209, an australian powder similar to 4350. I ended up using 58 gr and got .7 inch 3 shot groups at 100yds. half a grain either side gave 2 inch groups. My rifle also shot 165 ballistic tips best at 58 gr.

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