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Old 02-13-2012, 09:34 AM
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Re: max range 6.5 284

Not to change the subject but are you guys finding retumbo to be the consistent velocity winner? I'm looking for the max peerformance out of my 6.5x284. Velocity and accuracy.
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Old 02-13-2012, 10:17 AM
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Re: max range 6.5 284

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Not to change the subject but are you guys finding retumbo to be the consistent velocity winner? I'm looking for the max peerformance out of my 6.5x284. Velocity and accuracy.
In my rifles Retumbo is comparable to H4831sc as far as ES, running10-15 fps which is under 3" of verticle deviation at 1000 yards. I have found that the best consistancy is obtained with Retumbo using Fed 215 Magnum primers.
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Old 02-13-2012, 06:04 PM
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Re: max range 6.5 284

If I was intentionally setting out to hunt Elk at 900+ yds, I think I'd take a 300WM or larger just to have a little extra fudge factor.

I suspect most of the wounded Elk videos end up on the cutting room floor.

That said, it's a great long range hunting cartridge.

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Old 02-13-2012, 10:31 PM
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Re: max range 6.5 284

T o the OP. A lot of hunters and outdoor publications over the years consider 1500 Energy a good number for elk and 1000 E for deer as a general guide line. This puts a load of 140 vld @ 3000 FT, which was higher than any of my books ,but load posted . T o have 1014 E @ 1000 YRD. And 1410@ 700 yrd. As one put it a perfect lung shot and you are good. I am good with a perfect lung shot @ 100 w/ my bow , but is it a good idea?There was a very long thread on here on a bull lost w/same at 1000, by a very accomplished elk hunter this fall.There are much better elk cartridges for long stuff.
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Old 02-14-2012, 07:38 AM
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Re: max range 6.5 284

I just received my issue of "Rifle" magazine which had a review of the Savage LRH in 6.5x284. This is about the third publication in the last several months that has reviewed the cartridge, in rifles that are clearly designed for longer range shooting. In all atricles they list the few factory loads available, as well as selected handloads. In just about every case the hand loads chosen use load recipes that in no way brings out the true potential of the cartridge. It is also doubtful that their listed loads generate any less pressure than an optimum load such as the ones listed in this thread. The same is true for most of the common reloading manuals which is likely what's guiding them in their hand load design. This also applies to other cartridges as well, but in the case of the 6.5x284 will likely restrict it's broader acceptance since published results are typically no better then a 270 Win, in some cases a 260 Rem. With the right load this cartridge produces outstanding accuracy and terminal ballistics, with recoil on par with a 308, maybe less. While I havent used it for elk, I can understand why people do. Routinely hitting softball sized targets with this cartridge at 1000 yards is quite attainable given good shooting skills and a proper read on the conditions.
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Old 02-14-2012, 10:41 PM
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Re: max range 6.5 284

I find this thread funny!

What is funny to me is that alot of guys are entertaining the thought, and accepting the 6.5x284 as a legitimate 900-1000 yard elk rifle where as if "308 win" was attached it would catch flack from every angle. Now I realize the exterior ballistics are vastly different between the two. Terminally, they can be closer than you think.

I have loads that will hit every bit as hard at 900 yards for my 308 as the 6.5x284. 1000 for that matter, and expand to boot. My point here is not that the 308 is superior or better, but if a thread ever came up "308 for 900 yard elk?", it would get laughed at all the way. 99% of the posts would say how irresposible and stupid it woud be to hunt elk at 900 yards and even dumber to do it at 1K with a 308.

Does either have superior terminal ballistics? Probably not. 1000 pounds of energy with an expanding projectile of similar sectional densities placed in the vitals is going to yield the same results. The elk is not going to know the difference.

So before you nail me to the stake and light it on fire, realize that I am not saying the 6.5x284 is not a viable 900-1000 yard elk cartridge or that it is, or isnt. Nor that the 308 is or isnt. Just that if 308 was attached this thread would never be entertained. Even though from a terminal standpoint, they have the capability to be similar out to 1K.

So maybe the 308 is underrated or the 6.5x284 is overrated. Or maybe they fall right in the middle? Just something to think about from another point of view. That said, if the 308 is not a worthy 900-1000 yard elk rifle, the 6.5x284 should'nt be either. Or if the 6.5 is, then the 308 should be.

My opinion is: Either will and can get the job done but I dont want to use a ball peen hammer to drive a 16 penny nail.

Let the flame begin!
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Old 02-14-2012, 10:43 PM
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Re: max range 6.5 284

My fiends hit targets @ 1000 and have stacks of groups under 3'', w/6mm. But that is not the same as killing ELK @ 1000. I t is funny to me how hard this site pushes shooting elk @ 1000 yrds, WITH RIFLES that carry very small Energy when, bettter stuff has been around my whole life. I grew up at elk camp and here are some observations from back woods MT. A friend of my Dad has taken 58 bulls, 308 norma, I have another acqaintence 45 bulls 300 wby and larger. I have also ran into a guy hunting in mountains alot and has taken about 20 6pt. 30-06 and he does not shoot long. I also have a friend that has taken 35 + BULLS ARCHERY. Any body that I know local, that is a serious elk hunter and shoots distance uses a suitable cartridge. They range from 338 win, 300 win, 300 wby, 340 wby, and into the current ultras, 375 h&h and this is what I have seen for 20 yrs. A high school buddy of mine was national champ @ 13 , 1000 yrd. He has shoot about 12 elk on openong day 3oo WN. The 6.5 is what we would consider a deer cartrige at distance. 140 gr. vrs. 300+ in the 375. I think you are steering new hunters in the wrong direction when you advise them to shoot elk @ 1000 with light tackle.I have hunted my life in Mt mostly elk hunting and I have seen it go wrong, and I have seen big bulls suck up alot of 338 lead and run off. I t is hunting, and I HUNT A thick type terrain where elk get swallowed up.
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