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Old 04-04-2013, 06:18 AM
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Mauser rifle - identifcation...

Hallo everybody!

I'm Hein and I'm new on your fantastic forum. I own several Musgrave rifles (South African made) and can help with info if somebody need it.

I received a old Mauser rifle in very good condition from family members and want to get to know more about its calibre. I don't know what 8x60 Norm mean...
I can't figure out if it's a J or a S

If anyone can help me with all the other markings on the receiver, I'll be very thankfull...





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Hein Mostert
(Tulbagh; South Africa)
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Old 04-07-2013, 05:13 AM
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Re: Mauser rifle - identifcation...

Hei! What you own is a 8 x 60 S (.323 in !!) Mauser. Has nothing to do with Norma. The 8 x 60 S was created after the WWI as substitute for the 8 x 57 IS because of the Versailles peace - treaty. I hope I could help you!
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Old 04-07-2013, 09:25 AM
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Re: Mauser rifle - identifcation...

Thanx for the reply!

The German military changed the callibre from .318 to .323 during and after 1905 . Many Germans beleived that the.318 was more accurate for hunting - and they kept on manufacturing this diameter barrel up to 1938... That is why these J-barrels is still to be found - even today...

The Germans changed thousands of 8x57 chambers to 8x60 - after the First World War due to restrictions.

The Norm is not Norma. I want to know what the meaning of it is.

Hein
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Old 04-07-2013, 10:22 AM
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Re: Mauser rifle - identifcation...

"Norm" in german means "standard"
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Old 04-07-2013, 10:59 AM
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Re: Mauser rifle - identifcation...

Hi again! It looks like as I made a little but crucial mistake. After your answer I was searching on relevant german websides and found also "ordinary" 8 x 60 and its flanged version 8 x 60 R. These conversions were also made after WWI! Versions in .318 diameter. So if you don't see any S- mark on the rifle then don't use normal .323 bullets.
By the way, I or J stands for Infantry and S for "Spitz". Both were related to the military round 8 x 57 (Infanterie Spitz). The Germany army changed to the .323 diameter between 1904/1905. German primers on fab - ammo for the 8 x 57 IS are espescially dyed and highlighted to show the possible danger by using wrong cartridges in the .318...
May be you understand some German because of Afrikaans, if so you may visit the following websides: Jagdwaffensammler.de or Wild und Hund Forum.

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Old 04-07-2013, 11:08 AM
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Re: Mauser rifle - identifcation...

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"Norm" in german means "standard"
Right, "Norm" describes a standard (Normal) whatever that means. We don't know what they considered standard, .318 or .323. Best and most secure will be a check, measuring of the chamber/ barrel by a good and skilled gunsmith. Then all doubts will be taken away. On German websides you still find reloading data tables to both 8 x 60 and 8 x 60 S. Even for their flanged versions.
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Old 04-07-2013, 11:29 AM
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Re: Mauser rifle - identifcation...

Thanx for the info guys!

I'll take the gun to a smith - just to be sure.

Regards!

Hein
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