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View Poll Results: Choose 3 bullets you would reccomend for the above described purpose.
Hornady 165 SST 35 11.29%
Horn 165 Amax 34 10.97%
Horn 168 HPBT Match 14 4.52%
Nosler 165 Ballistic tip 62 20.00%
Nos 165 Ballistic Silver tip 18 5.81%
Nos 168 J4 HPBT 13 4.19%
Sierra 165 Game king HPBT 26 8.39%
Sie 165 Game king Spitzer BT 32 10.32%
Sie 168 Match king HPBT 68 21.94%
Speer 165 Spitzer BT 3 0.97%
Spe 165 Deep Shok 2 0.65%
Spe 168 HPBT Match 3 0.97%
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Looking for a good all around bullet for .308 win.

 
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Old 03-02-2005, 08:47 PM
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Re: Looking for a good all around bullet for .308 win.

Someone commented on another thread that the J4 jacket was not as thick as the SMK so I figured I would look into this choice more deeply. Instead of just asking for an answer I thought I would offer several acceptable answers and get a chance to look at it all at once.

Yep that 175 is looking pretty good. The hodgdon site has recipies for the 168 SMK and the 175 SMK on the same page and with the same powders and the velocity spread is only about 50 fps between the two.

I am also looking hard at going back to using BLC-2. I am probably going to try that ladder method with the BLC-2, H-335 and H-414 (you know how much I like spherical powder) to see which gives me the best results at the highest velocity.

Are you at work? I will email you the ladder method that I was sent.
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Old 03-02-2005, 09:13 PM
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Re: Looking for a good all around bullet for .308 win.

I can add a bit to what I said earlier... maybe...
Im a firm believer in the idea that thinking about something, of contemplating the mechanics of stuff like the mechanics of bullet flight can only accomplish so much. At some point its just time to "belly up to the bar" so to speak, and poke some holes in paper.
Example:
Im shooting 220SMKs from a 300WM, and they go subsonic (depending on atmospherics) at around 1350 yds, But I have enough elevation for 1600+
When I set up my portable target stand in Jan, I placed it at 1350 because, with temps under 40 degrees, bullets go through the board subsonic. This gave me a chance to play around in that "fringe" area if you will. I had to move forward to test the rest of the bullets (since they go subsonic at different distances), but I shoot mostly prone, so thats not a big deal.
I have tested:

300WM 175SMK Very good
300WM 190SMK Good
300WM 200SMK mediocure
300WM 220SMK Very good
300WM 240SMK Very good

308Win 155SMK good
308WIN 168SMK Bad Bad Bad
308Win 175SMK Very good
308Win 190SMK good, but supersonic to 1000+
308Win 220SMK Very good

honeslty, I don't have the slightest idea what makes one bullet shoot well through the sound barrier, and the next one is a flop. I have heard that most of the Bergers shoot well transsonic, but have not tested them myself.
I don't know about the other 168 gr match bullets out there, as far as dynamic stability goes, but I know that the 168SMK is horrable once it goes subsonic. The impacts we could spot from the SR25 were scattered all over a 75yd by 200yd area around the target stand.
I have no doubt that the answer to this question is somewhere in robert mccoy's work, but every time I get very far into it, it makes my head hurt.
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Old 03-02-2005, 09:57 PM
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Re: Looking for a good all around bullet for .308 win.

abinok
i dont want to hijack the thread but could you pm me the velocities and the barrel lenth, powder(kind and charge)
reason being is 2 of my friends and i have light class 1000yd guns recently built in 300winmag. and could use a little more knowledge... Brien
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Old 03-02-2005, 10:23 PM
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Re: Looking for a good all around bullet for .308 win.

which bullet were you needing info for?
are you wanting accuracy loads, or other stuff?
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Old 03-03-2005, 11:22 AM
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Re: Looking for a good all around bullet for .308 win.

the throat in my rifle will take a 200SMK or 220SMK or 210berger.....i was curious about velocity and accuracy you are getting out of you winmag.
Brien... btm_fox@yahoo.com
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Re: Looking for a good all around bullet for .308 win.

email sent
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Re: Looking for a good all around bullet for .308 win.

Wow. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] 22 votes and nothing for Speer. If I were a Speer rep I would be making some phone calls. I noticed that they don't even mention the Deep Shok on their own website. I have noticed in the past that they are total slackers when it comes to web information. Oh well, They snooze, they lose.
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