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View Poll Results: Choose 3 bullets you would reccomend for the above described purpose.
Hornady 165 SST 36 11.43%
Horn 165 Amax 34 10.79%
Horn 168 HPBT Match 14 4.44%
Nosler 165 Ballistic tip 62 19.68%
Nos 165 Ballistic Silver tip 19 6.03%
Nos 168 J4 HPBT 13 4.13%
Sierra 165 Game king HPBT 28 8.89%
Sie 165 Game king Spitzer BT 33 10.48%
Sie 168 Match king HPBT 68 21.59%
Speer 165 Spitzer BT 3 0.95%
Spe 165 Deep Shok 2 0.63%
Spe 168 HPBT Match 3 0.95%
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Looking for a good all around bullet for .308 win.

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Re: Looking for a good all around bullet for .308 win.

I was very interested in the Deep Shock when they initially came on the market, I believe Federal was promoting them inititally but I may be wrong.

They offered very good B.C. values on par with the Ballistic Tips but with what appeared to be a stronger bullet construction.

Since Speer started making the bullets, the price seemed to jump so I just never did try them. I would say the Deep Shock is stouter then the SST by a fair amount. This is not a real concern in the 308 Win though. Accuracy is key so which ever shoots better is the one I would use. Both will perform well in big game at these velocity levels.

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    Re: Looking for a good all around bullet for .308 win.

    Abinok I just checked out the Sierra site and the BC for the 168 gr MK is listed as .447 at standard muzzle velocity for the .308. I then found that the 175 AND 180 grain MKs had a BC of .496 at standard MV. I had never noticed this before (never really thought to look.) but it would seem that this would weigh in favor of the weight to BC ratio. 7 gr heavier than 168 but the BC of a 12 gr heavier bullet. Very cool. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

    What would be extremely cool is if you had some velocities I could compare where you used the same powder on these bullets shot out of the same gun. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] (Thats cool x 2.)
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    Re: Looking for a good all around bullet for .308 win.

    150 or 180 gr Accubond!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

    Does this post mean that you will actually go out deer hunting this year? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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    Re: Looking for a good all around bullet for .308 win.

    Midway:

    Nosler BT 165 = .23 each
    Nosler Accubond 180 = .32 each
    Sierra MK 168 = .18 each
    Sierra MK 175 = .19 each

    See where this is going?

    And the answer is the same as always. I will hunt deer if I have the time (unless I get the Twin Falls draw then I will make time.)
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    Re: Looking for a good all around bullet for .308 win.

    These loads were fired in a Savage 110 "police" with a 26" barrel. They are over max according to sierra, but under in several other manuals. Federal Gold Medal primers used for all loads.

    168 gr SMK
    43.6 grains of IMR 4895 2812fps


    175 gr SMK
    42.4 grains IMR 4895 2709fps

    175 gr SMK
    45.0 grains of Varget 2770fps

    These loads are just under max, just a little slower...

    168 gr SMK
    48.4 grains of H-380 2702fps

    175 gr SMK
    47.0 grains of H-380 2597fps

    It dosn't really matter which load use, you can push the 168 about 100fps faster than the 175.
    if you look at energy, the 175 is better everywhere past 300
    if you look at velocity, th 175 will overtake and pass the 168 at 450yds.
    I ran a camparison with a 250 yd zero for both bullets, and the two never seperate more than .25" from 0yds to 250.
    past 850yds, the 168 will take more moa to get on target, because the 175 actually has a flatter trajectory out there.
    One last thought to sway you, the 168 gr has dynamic stability problems, and will not shoot through the transsonic barrier. The 168 goes transsonic around 900 yds, so kiss the chance at a 1000 yd shot good bye.
    The 175 stays supersonic to just over 1000, and stays accurate even after it goes through the sound barrier.
    At 900 yds the 175 in a 10mph crosswind has 10" less wind drift.
    A friend shoots the "little" (he hates when I say that) 308 from a Knight sr25. We tried the 168 gr Federal GMM at my 1350 yd, 8x8 foot target. never hit it in 30 rounds. Tried the 175 Federal GMM, and once we had the elevation (took about 5 shots I think...) every round burrowed throught the target.
    For me the 308 win=175 smk
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    Re: Looking for a good all around bullet for .308 win.

    Abinok That was an interesting post. You have elloquently stated your position and I am all but sold on these for my next .308 bullet of choice. In fact I just gave this topic a 3 star rating because of the great information you and Fifty have brought to light at least for me. I'm hoping the stars will attract the attention of others that might have overlooked this topic. Thanks.

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    One last thought to sway you, the 168 gr has dynamic stability problems, and will not shoot through the transsonic barrier. The 168 goes transsonic around 900 yds, so kiss the chance at a 1000 yd shot good bye.
    The 175 stays supersonic to just over 1000, and stays accurate even after it goes through the sound brrier.

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    Could you build on this point please. Is this instability a problem for all 168s or just the SMK? I am aware that there is a turbulence "step" when crossing the sonic barrier either way but what exactly is this instability and what causes it. I am not a mathematician or an engineer but the ballistics area of shooting is brobably the most facinating to me.

    I love the information that can get passed from shooter to shooter when we get past the "same ol' discussion" and get on to teaching and learning.
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    Re: Looking for a good all around bullet for .308 win.

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    Midway:

    Nosler BT 165 = .23 each
    Nosler Accubond 180 = .32 each
    Sierra MK 168 = .18 each
    Sierra MK 175 = .19 each

    See where this is going?

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    The Nosler J4 that you are shooting now = < .16 each
    Are they just not accurate enough for you, or are you afraid that they will not drop a deer?

    I have been thinking about the 175 gr bullet before, but this thread makes me want to look into it as well....
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