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Old 09-21-2013, 09:52 PM
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I love these type of threads also. Sometimes it is impossible to know why a bullet works so well one time and performs terribly the next. Examining the wound channel does however give a clue. If the bullet doesn't make it to the vitals, that is in my opinion a failure, but if it does massive amounts of damage to the vitals and the animal doesn't go right down, then what would you say then? There is a fine line on what bullet design is best. I have shot bull elk with 250 gr partitions that did ample damage to the shoulder on the entrance, but the frontal portion of the bullet came apart in the shoulder only leaving the shank to penetrate to the vitals. Not my preference, but the bull died. Another example was with a 225 gr Barnes X that hit a big mule deer through both lungs at 550 yards. The deer ran off. I finally found it the next day and when I gutted the deer I found that the bullet penciled through without causing any tissue damage at all. With the Berger, I believe that heaviest possible bullet for caliber works well to make sure you have a good chance at good penetration on the close shots and also drives deep on the longer shots. I have a very hard time deciding what bullet to have in my gun when hunting in Grizzly country, because a bullet failure could be very painful or worse.
I agree with using the heaviest for caliber when using a thin skinned bullet! Also, your experience with the partitions is very common. I killed twenty some bull elk with 140 nosler partitions in a 6.5 and as I recall, every one lost the front portion and the rear was always intact and weighed about 60% of original....rich
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every one lost the front portion and the rear was always intact and weighed about 60% of original....rich
Yup
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Old 09-22-2013, 07:01 AM
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He did state it was the OTM bullet and not the hunter or the tactical, Broz has posted a lot of great info on these new bullets and he was using the tactical. I have only used the VLD hunter, but I do have some tacticals loaded for this year. The OTM is not even a choice, its for targets.

Here is my summation of close range performance with the 6.5 vld at 200m and I believe this echos most of the other experiences here. Granted its no MOOSE, however the proportion or 190lb doe to 140g bullet could be compared to what the op used.

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He did state it was the OTM bullet and not the hunter or the tactical, Broz has posted a lot of great info on these new bullets and he was using the tactical... The OTM is not even a choice, its for targets.
I thought the OTM was the tactical. If I have this wrong let me know, it will change what I am doing...
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Old 09-22-2013, 08:53 AM
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Here is my summation of close range performance with the 6.5 vld at 200m and I believe this echos most of the other experiences here. Granted its no MOOSE, however the proportion or 190lb doe to 140g bullet could be compared to what the op used.
380 lb animal to 280gr bullet? Not intending to offend, but I see no proportional comparison to be made by looking at the photo of your doe. A typical weight of a hind leg on a mature bull moose where I live is on the order of 105 to 125 lbs from the knee joint up to the hip socket and ham - skinned and trimmed. But that same leg on an enormous bull moose can weigh much more. That's solid meat. Not low density lung tissue. It's possible to get more than 700 lbs of boned out meat off an exceptionally large bull. The rear leg on one of these large bulls will approach the weight or your entire doe. A large Alaskan bull moose will make an elk look like your doe - as far as proportional comparisons go.

I shot a 62" bull moose with a 210gr Barnes-X bullet from a .338-378 Weatherby in '94. Distance was 630 yds. First shot was a killing shot thru the ribs, but I couldn't be sure about the placement of the bullet at that range. Second shot the bull was facing directly away. The bullet entered just left of the butt hole, pulverized the ball socket - turning it into bone meal, and was found adjacent to the rear wall of the stomach/paunch when the animal was field dressed. It never even made it to the guts. Gut cavity was clean as a whistle. I estimated the total depth of penetration at about 12". This from a bullet that retained all four petals and near 100% of its original weight.
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I just moved my deer quarters from the ice chest to the freeze to get it ready for processing and low and behold, I saw the remainder of my 300 gr Berger OTM on the surface of the off shoulder. I haven't weighed it yet but it feels pretty good. There is a small piece of lead with it also. Expanded size is close to 1.5 inches. When I butcher later today, I will find out if the bullet broke the off side shoulder blade. Again, my opinion on Bergers is for 338 use the 300 gr.
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Again, my opinion on Bergers is for 338 use the 300 gr.
Good advice. If using a fragmenting bullet use as much weight as you can. This leaves the rear portion to carry on after the front fragments off. I feel this is key to my 100% success with Berger bullets.

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