Originally Posted by phorwath
Wow, you're still firing away at stenger??? The guy that related a story of a Berger bullet performance on a bull moose with a rating of fail? Somewhat less than a perfect 10?
Thanks for the helpful assistance Kirby. You've done yourself proud, and I'm sure stenger considers you a real pal.
If he is unhappy with the performance why does he keep using them? That is my question. With the number of bullets out there to choose from, why stick with one he obviously feels fails to perform to the standards he wants the bullet to perform to.
I have not attacked him in any way, just saying, if you do not like the performance of a certain bullet from what you have seen in the field, stop using them, problem solved I would think.
I will full admit that I have heard several stories about the berger 300 OTM penciling through big game at ranged out past 700 yards with fired in 338 Edge, 338 Lapua class rifles. Now it was said that this bullet was the Hunting bullet. That would be something to confirm for sure but after Berger had its accuracy problems with the original 338, 300 gr hybrids, they beefed up the bullet so that they would offer consistant accuracy first. This also limited some expansion issues at longer ranges with the smaller 338 magnums.
What we are hearing from him is a bit odd. THey choose a 250 gr bullet which blows up on impact, they he is told by many, MANY people that he should have used the 300 gr version and then out of the blue after I do not know how many pages of posts on the subject, he tells a story about someone that used a 300 gr Hunting berger on a broadside whitetail that FAILED.
Sorry, that's just a bit to much to swallow. It APPEARS that he was being told by many that he used the wrong bullet and then a story of the recommended bullet pops up to make claims it does not work either.
What is his point here. Berger bullets are no good for close range moose, nor are they good for long range whitetails. We all know that is simply not true in the later instance unless the OTM bullets were used and then his results that were witnessed would be predictable.
It is also curious why you are so heated at defending him. I personally have not attacked him in any way. I have said that he has made bad bullet choices which is not opinion, simple fact and that has been echoed by many others here as well. That is not an attack, that's trying to tell someone they made a poor bullet choice so next time they can make a good bullet choice.
The fact that this is still going on with the same exact comments from both sides is what temped me to make a post.
Again, from his own experience and words, Berger 338 bullets failed on moose in his opinion, they also failed on whitetail at LR in his opinion, Don't use them anymore, problem solved and we could put an end to this mess. If you do not like berger bullets don't use them, if you like them and have gotten great results, use them, again, we are not solving any problem here.
Not trying to make a friend with anyone here so not sure what your comments are referring to. There are about a dozen posters on this thread, including you, that are doing nothing but throwing the same things back and forth over and over. That is certainly helpful and you are also done yourself proud in doing nothing but stoking the flames at every turn with the same comments and I do not really understand what dog you have in the fight.
THERE IS NO FIGHT, if you do not like the performance your seeing with berger bullets, WHY WOULD YOU KEEP USING THEM? that was my only point, it makes no sense. You believe a 300 gr bullet failed on LR whitetail but then you recommend using a 250 gr bullet on moose........ I do not see the logic here at all.
Stop using berger bullets, there are an endless number of options out there to use, move on and be happy.