Originally Posted by stenger
It would be nice to know why the thread title was changed!!! I did not do it!! Someone must be on the payroll for berger. How much for a banner that's reads berger bullets failed on a moose!!!
Well, I have read, but avoided commenting this whole thread for weeks.
I am not a Berger user, so ill refrain from any comment on them that could be mis construed as such.
You'd think, a 250 gr 338 pill of any mfg would have the SD to dump a moose at most any range till you get waaaaay out there.
Why is it, that as soon as Berger is mentioned, in conjunction with bad experience(s) LOOKOUT. You gotta have a PHD, Bachelors, & Masters in rocket surgery & a hi def/ hi speed camera to back up your experience?
I understand such hype about Bergers, considering this is a Long Range site, but I've also seen some terrible advise to newer guys who will likely never shoot far enough to benefit from these bullets.
Bergers may be the best thing going for the dedicated ELR crowd. But I'd venture to guess Most members are not yet ELR guys.
Alot of members aspire to be, & jump head first on the Berger bandwagon without developing the knowledge & skill to take advantage of them. It's no wonder there are new stories every year with the exact same topic "Berger failure" & 8-9 times out of 10 it's blowing up at close range, & high speed, or not opening at all.
It's also no wonder that with as many dedicated ELR guys they get pissed when a less experienced guys write "Berger failed" in their posts, when they weren't used the way ELR guys use them with great success.
In reality these are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT styles of hunters.
ELR has time to wait for that 1 shot, usually has dedicated equipment, & time devoted to take advantage of these bullets.
Avg-to mid- to long range, guys (which I'm guessing make up the vast majority of members here) have varied levels of experience, & equipment, & skill.
***but many aspire to be ELR guys & get quality advise from ELR guys about what they(ELR) use. Then those guys seeking advise figure "if it's good for so & so it's good for me"***
See where this is going?
There is a step missing in the ladder here. Many don't get it.
What works great for so & so ISN'T always the best choice for aspiring ELR guys.
There are much better bullet mfg's & choices, that fit a wide variety of shot angles, game size, range, & impact speed for hunting styles other than ELR.
For the Dedicated ELR guys there are very few choices.
In short, I think it's beyond rediculous for someone to constantly prove & re prove bullet failure. Also beyond rediculous to constantly have to prove & re prove improper bullet choice/placement.
Plain & simple answer is don't use a frag bullet if you may get varying shot angles at close range or do not have time to wait for the animal to turn perfectly broadside, or run off a few hundred more yards so your bullet is going slow enough to work properly.
Then we can avoid Berger failure threads, & forensic science requirements for such threads.
Match your bullet to your hunting style. Don't claim it's the best or worst bullet ever. & we can avoid these threads.
Berger has done alot for promoting hunting at Long Range for all of us LR hunters. They deserve credit for that.
I don't however, think they deserve any special treatment etc. like possibly changing the thread title! I'd like to see/know who & how it got changed.