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Old 09-23-2013, 10:35 PM
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I shot a 52'' MT moose with my 340 Wby,100 yrd offhand took out top of heart,bull took 3 steps and bedded down,then his head went down. I have been shooting 300hybrid otm in my 338 NM for a few years now. So not alot of kills but son was using also,way overkill for the hand full of speed goats we shot,but liked it for bucking wind,blew big holes in them out to 800+.I only shot one bull so far with same and it was in alders at 50 yrsd.I hit him high in lung just under backstrap and exit was as big as my fist,Im average size at 5-9.The blood trail high on trees was unreal, bull ran out about 60-70 yrds slight down, then pitched off a 20 foot cliff,that didnt help him either as it broke rack in half.I shot this bullet threw the large knuckle of the elk above hind quarter as a test and it blew bone into 3 piece, also had it wired to OSB and it punched a 5-6'' hole in osb at 200 yrd.This round is set up for both my Normas
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Old 09-24-2013, 04:48 AM
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Bull____. Too funny! Must work for Berger...
I wish I hate my job, but I suspect working with bullets requires a strong background in mathematics and that one thing I am not good at at all.
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Old 09-24-2013, 12:37 PM
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To the original poster, you said the hits were from back of the rib cage angled forward. Did either of the two shots that we fired at that location hit the stomach? The reason I ask is that I have seen stomach contents stop many a good bullet far short of normal penetration. Wet dense vegetation in the stomach cavity is very hard to over come from an expanding bullet. Maybe we need someone to do a penetration test into a test media on the 250 gr Berger and compare it to some other bullets for a good comparision. Also testing the bullets at several different velocities would help to determine whether penetration would be better at longer ranges with less expansion.
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Old 09-24-2013, 01:49 PM
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To the original poster, you said the hits were from back of the rib cage angled forward. Did either of the two shots that we fired at that location hit the stomach? The reason I ask is that I have seen stomach contents stop many a good bullet far short of normal penetration. Wet dense vegetation in the stomach cavity is very hard to over come from an expanding bullet. Maybe we need someone to do a penetration test into a test media on the 250 gr Berger and compare it to some other bullets for a good comparision. Also testing the bullets at several different velocities would help to determine whether penetration would be better at longer ranges with less expansion.
This is correct. Stomach contents are mostly water and water, as I have posted previously, will cause a bullet to expand rapidly. Not everyone believes this, but I have done this literally hundreds of times with a lot of different bullets...........Rich
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Old 09-24-2013, 03:36 PM
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This is correct. Stomach contents are mostly water and water, as I have posted previously, will cause a bullet to expand rapidly. Not everyone believes this, but I have done this literally hundreds of times with a lot of different bullets...........Rich
they did that on myth busters they exploded fast
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they did that on myth busters they exploded fast
Mythbusters Shooting 50 Caliber Sniper into Water - YouTube
There you go! This is why I have been trying to convince people that "if want to find out if a bullet is capable of expanding" use water! Sure you could use armour plate, but we are talking being realistic here. I hope everyone watches this and takes it to heart. Someone on the forum once proclaimed how tough his bullet was by shooting it into wood. You can do this and keep a bullet intact with almost any bullet because the pressure "outside" the bullet keeps it from completely blowing up and keeps the momentum forward. I have turned Bergers, my own, and others, into confetti many times by simply firing them into water. I have NO DOUBT" that stomach contents would do the same thing with a thin skinned bullet traveling at 2900', or considerably less for that matter......rich
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