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Old 09-22-2013, 07:50 PM
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Ok first and second shot were behind the ribs on a hard quartering away shot bullets entered had approx eight inches of penetration then failed no bones hit. Bullets did not make it to the diaphragm. Pic one is this bullet. Pic two was a neck shot side of neck penetration was approx 6 inches then stopped. 250 berger OTM at 2915 FPS.
Must have been one ugly hole for a few inches! That isn't much penetration for the one that is supposed to be the thick jacket version. I might add that taking that angle shot at a moose with a thin skinned bullet isn't the best idea! Was that a follow up?
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Old 09-22-2013, 07:57 PM
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Well I would say that the bullet didnt 100% fail. It still killed the Moose. Sometimes weird things happen with bullets that can be hard to explain or understand. If a human makes it, sooner or later, it is bound to not perform right. I have been lucky enough to have never had this happen with any bullet that I have had ever used (knock on wood).

I do have to say that with the title of this thread and the content of the first post, this is the most mature thread on this subject that I have seen.
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Old 09-22-2013, 08:07 PM
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On a heavy quartering shot I personally would not expect that bullet to make it to the goodies on a large moose, the 250 has so little shank when the nose peels back and the bullet starts opening there's not much reserve steam. The bullets look like they opened like they should have, just to much animal to get through for that bullet at that impact speed. Probably would have gotten more penetration if they'd been shot out of a 338 Win at that range or the shot had been at long range with a slower impact velocity.

Does not look like a bullet failure to me, they look like a lot of Berger chunks I've found or poured out of animal, with that much frontal area and a bullet that opens aggressively after a few inches of penetration with a close range hit on that kind of animal the bullet functioned correctly, just not the correct shot placement for that bullet at that impact velocity and range.
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Old 09-22-2013, 08:25 PM
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A bullet splitting into two pieces is a failure. I feel that if berger is going to market hunting bullets they should have information available as to what game the bullet is intended for. At least Nosler has a generic guide as to what game the bullet is designed to harvest. Shame on me for not knowing better. Shame on berger for lack of information someone could have been hurt. The pics have been posted I feel that the bullet pics are an obvious bullet failure. It retained no weight and that's really bad. Make your own conclusion.
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Old 09-22-2013, 08:39 PM
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a bullet splitting into two pieces is a failure. I feel that if berger is going to market hunting bullets they should have information available as to what game the bullet is intended for. At least nosler has a generic guide as to what game the bullet is designed to harvest. Shame on me for not knowing better. Shame on berger for lack of information someone could have been hurt. The pics have been posted i feel that the bullet pics are an obvious bullet failure. It retained no weight and that's really bad. Make your own conclusion.
i don't think berger ever marketed the otm as a hunting bullet? Also, the bullet fragments that you found are very typical of berger performance. I agree that 6-8" isn't much penetration, but i don't know that my first two shots at a moose would be at that angle with any bullet........rich
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Old 09-22-2013, 08:44 PM
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The marketing says they will go 2-3 inches then loose 40-85% of it's weight, any non bonded bullets can and will spit the core because nothing is holding it there, I actually prefer it to do that but I put the bullet behind the shoulder and it does all that in the vitals.

Direct from the Berger web site, there is no hunting data on the OTM, any hunting data is from trial and error on the loaders part.

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Agreed I spoke out of line and stand corrected. Berger did only market them as a tactical bullet. I wonder if failure would have been worse with a hunting berger due to the thinner jacket.
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