I need some Help. I want a rifle that I can hunt with and also use in competition. I have done some long range shooting as a sniper in the Army. I am familiar with The M24, M107 Barret and M110 SASS. I was thinking about getting a Remington 700P and Millet Tactical scope or possibly a Leupold Tactical scope. I was planning on Going with the 308 since that was what I used the most in the army but I have been thinking about going with the 300 Win Mag.
Should I buy a out of box gun like the Remington or should I look into building a gun from receiver up. If building a gun is the way to go. Where do I start and what are a good combination of parts to get a good 1/2 MOA shooter?
I know there are a lot of questions there. lol I just have a limited amount of knowledge in this area and need all the help I can get. ;-) Thanks for your time and help.
A few questions can narrow down the type of rifle your looking for. What type of competition are you planning on competing in?
What type of game are you mostly planning on hunting?
I have used my 1,000 yard heavy and light guns for deer,bear and woodchuck hunting long range as well as competition. I also use my F-class rifle for woodchuck. I'm in the process now of building a carryable .338-408 Cheytec for deer, bear and elk as well as some sniper competition. It's easy to perform double duty with your rifle if you know your distance limits of the caliber your shooting and the type of competition you'll be competing in. If you want to be a contender in competition a custom rifle is your best bet. Start with a Remington action or a good custom action. Kreiger, Broughton, Hart, and Lilja make some of the finest custom barrels. McMillan if you'd want a fiberglass stock, Joel Russo if you'd want a laminate. Nightforce, Leupold, and Sightron are my scopes of choice. Use top components, a good gunsmith, proper loading and shooting techniques and your 1/2" moa will be no problem to achieve.
__________________ Home of the "EXTENDED IMPACT" DVD
I was in similar shoes not to long ago. I went with the factory remmy sendero chambered in 7mmRM. I then had some relativly minor smith work done to it ie. removed some forend material, bedded, trigger to 2lbs. Put a good scope on it (niteforce) and bought some reloading equipment.
My first batch of handloads shot pretty well. Several were .6-.7MOA. Room to improve but like I said it was my first batch ever.
A buddy went with a savage in 270WSM and had similar stuff done. He shoots factory ammo with his and it is sub MOA.
So i think what you want is doable with factory stuff and reloading. If I was a more patient guy and had cash on hand I might try the complete custom rig. I don't really know what caliber I'd choose. I've never shot a 300 winmag but have shot plenty of 3006's. Recoil isn't much in my 7mm mainly because of the weight of the gun.
I would ask GA Precision to build you the lightest, true 1/2moa rifle, they can.
Or you could save money and get a Cooper.
Good choice on a MK4/M1 Leupold(with alumina sunshade and flip-ups)
You cannot hunt from a bench rest(thats target shooting). Hunting is stalking.. So it has to be light, and of reasonable size. It also has to be single-cold barrel shot-accurate-from a bipod. The metal needs to be blacked out. Get stainless, but have it coated.
From a bipod or bags, You only need 1/2moa from described 'hunting gun'.
With that, its up to you to shoot it..
Purpose built hunting guns can be used for competition, but it's completely impractical to use a purpose built competition gun for hunting.
I have a T2K that could technically be used for both, right?
Don't be rediculous...
You really need to describe what type of comp.. Fclass, 1KBR or what?
for Fclass, the FTR class you need either a 308 or 223. OPen class anything goes.
For 1K BR, then go you really need something more than a 308.
for Tactical matches, 308, 6-47, 260 etc.
If you looking at minimal cost, then buy the Savage 308 FTR in 308 $925. Either shoot it in 308 or rechamber to 300 WSM for $150 and $20 bolt head change. In case anyone tries to say they will not shoot a savage holds the one mile record!
I would not recommend the 300 win mag over the 300 WSM. Basicically both are equally accurate, however the 300 WSM has at least 2-3X the barrel life. The IBS 1K National champ this year out right won top place in LG score and LG group and obviously Overall champ with a 300 WSM with 4000 rds down the tube. There has never been a Win mag that has ever gone 2000 rds and been competitiive.
Nothing wrong with at $3500 GAP rifle, but paying a lot for a name when other 1/2 MOA options are available and cheaper.
A lot of guys use comp guns for hunting, they are often shot from benches or tripods and they are not blacked out and coating is expensive aesthetics and nothing else. Does not help the gun shoot .001 tighter. No they will not be 7 lb stalking guns but sure can be done, particulariy for LR guns. Kevin Cram (pretty good gunsmith by the way) and Joel Russo for example do it all the time with their comp guns and you might really want to PM either one to discuss in detail.
IMO it is not cost effective to guy a Remington and "build it up" as compared to buy a custom action right off the bat and saving all the gunsmithing costs and having an action that is worth 50% what you have in it. If you want a rem, then look on the boards for already accurized actions they normally sell for $450-500 tops where as it would cost you $700-1000 to pay for the action and work done. Custom 700 clone is as little as $700 and everything is already done and it will sell for $700 later, not $450.
WOW that was quick thanks for all your help. To be honest with you I have never shot in any competitions and don't know which is which. Could you guys help me out with what each competition is?
As for the rifle caliber, after reading about the barrel life being better on the 300WSM over the 300 win mag I would be interested in that or the 308. Could you guys help me out with what calibers you recommend for each comp?
I would like to do some shooting in the 600y to 1k range, but what would you guys suggest for a beginner in the comp world?
Now as far as the gun itself, I would like something that was similar to my M24. If I went custom with a Remington 700 action and went from there, how much would that cost me?