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Old 05-20-2013, 09:10 AM
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Light weight, short action, low recoil, mid range build input wanted

Thinking of a new build, for all North American game, excluding big bears in Alaska. Rifle is for my wife, she is an experiences shooter/hunter, but like most shooters is not a fan of recoil.

Rifle will NOT be used on thin skinned game past 500m, rifle WILL be used on Alaskan moose, whistle pigs and everything in between.

The rifle needs to be light enough to carry, shoulder, and fire effectively from standing. I have certain ideas in mind right now as to what will suit her needs but I want your input?

My initial thought is
SA, 308 based round, with todays bullet choices there are just to many options.
18" barrel, not a light profile but med, fluted
McMillan classic or manners mcst lightweight in a dipped natural wood finish or something from Joel. She likes nice classic wood stocks and blued steel, my evaluation of her shooting style is she would benefit from a slightly raised comb like is found on the McMillan classic and a stock cut to length for her.

Please build me your ideal rifle for this application, ask your wife's or daughters input, and post what you would do. Also if you have a rifle that fits this criteria and you want to consider a trade for my 300 win mag in the EE please offer.
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Old 05-20-2013, 09:40 AM
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Re: Light weight, short action, low recoil, mid range build input wanted

Rem 700, trued
stainless Krieger #3 or stainless Douglas XX #5 contour (.700" at muzzle), finished out at 26", 1:9 twist, chambered in 7mm-08
B&C Medalist Weatherby-Style Monte-Carlo stock
Rem BDL bottom metal setup
EGW base
TPS TSR low rings
Zeiss Conquest 6.5-20x50 or 4.5-14x50 w/ target turrets

That would make a nice, moderately inexpensive, SA multi-use low-recoil rig, IMO.
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Old 05-20-2013, 09:53 AM
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Re: Light weight, short action, low recoil, mid range build input wanted

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My initial thought is
SA, 308 based round, with todays bullet choices there are just to many options.
18" barrel, not a light profile but med, fluted
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Exactly what I thought when I saw your thread title. The two cartridges that come to mind are the 7mm-08 & the 338 Federal.

Why the 7mm-08?
A zillion bullets to fit your needs-
Won't kick the snot out of you (with 140's at least)-
High SD of the heavy 7mm pills for that moose-
Far superior ballistically, to the 308 with the 162 A-max or 168's -
Better barrel life than the 260-

Why the 338 Federal?
Again, Bullet slection: 180's for light stuff & light recoil or up to 250's (realistically) for the big stuff-
Barrel life has got to be measured in eons-
Usability covers pretty much every game animal huntable in the lower 48: big bullets make big holes


The .308 will do pretty much everything you ask well but, I tend to be a "road less traveled" type of guy. Generally speaking, if everybody else has it, I don't want it.


Stock type & shape may be better suited for a "hands on" situation if you can. What I prefer as a tall scrawny dude, probably won't be of much help to your wife.


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Old 05-20-2013, 11:07 AM
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Re: Light weight, short action, low recoil, mid range build input wanted

When I saw the thread title I thought .260 rem, 708, 6.5x284 and of course, the 308.

Since you threw the term 'moose' in there, I'd say if you're stuck on a short action with low recoil the 308 is a great choice. I've killed a number of Alaska/Yukon moose with the 308. With the right bullet, it's hell on them. You do have to be carefull about bullet choices. The best results I've had with the 308 and moose was with the 180 Barnes. Today, I would use the 175 LRX or 180 Accubonds if I took off after moose again with my 308.

The 180-200 grain 338 pills don't have the SD for adequate penetration and the 225-250 will kick her ass in a light rifle so to me, the 338 federal is out.

708 could be good WITH 160+ grain bullets of heavy duty construction.

All that said, the Swedes have been killing moose for a very long time with the 6.5mm. I think 140 partitions or Accubonds might work very well. Moose while big and sturdy don't have the will power to live such as elk. There are exceptions but for the most part, they give up pretty easy. What you need here is penetration. A quality the 6.5 is known for. My hunting buddy killed his first Alaska/Yukon moose with a 6.5 Swedish Mauser using 140 partitions. It was a very clean kill.

Keep us posted.

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Re: Light weight, short action, low recoil, mid range build input wanted

My reasonings for mentioning the 7mm-08 is b/c of the great bullet selection with high BC's and SD's. I mean, for smaller, more thin-skinned game the 140's would be great, and for deer size and up Nosler 160 AB or Berger 168 VLD's, and if you really wanted to you could push some 180 VLD's out of it for Moose. Which I bet would be pretty nasty out to say 500-600 yards or so.
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Old 05-20-2013, 12:27 PM
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Re: Light weight, short action, low recoil, mid range build input wanted

If you want to keep the barrel short, I would go with .308.

My first thought was that something in a 7mm would be about perfect, but it seems to me that the smaller bores tend to pay more of a performance penalty for shorter barrels. If you go with a 7-08 or a .284 Win, I would go with a #2 profile barrel no shorter than 22" and 24-26" would be better.
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Re: Light weight, short action, low recoil, mid range build input wanted

Just want to reiterate that I want to keep the barrel short for weight and maneuverability. She will not spend as much time with the rifle as any of us would so this is key.

OK I like everything I have read so far great thoughts. The 308 was the first thing I thought of as well, but I did not want to overlook the 7mm due to lack of personal experience. I think the 338 is out but I did consider it for her.
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