Originally Posted by goodgrouper
No offense at all Ron. I agree with you 100%. I'd be willing to put a Benjamin on the table that those bullets whistled through several poor whitetails and now LV is playing the old ostrich trick.
One of the readership contacted me and suggested that I "make time" and check out your recent irrelevant and ridiculous postings..... I must say, that I cannot get past this one and will not be reading your other drivel. However, and for your information, I have been putting in fall food plots, preparing the spring food plot sites, doing some hunting, scouting, working on planting equipment and waiting on the new dies to test the generation II HAT bullets. Thankfully, the final shipment of dies were sent out last Friday and should arrive this week. However, Mr Henson has been busy with his shotgun slug projects, low velocity expandable projects and 50 BMG projects. So he has not sat idle.
However, your research into our hunting seasons is as non-impressive (and as inaccurate) as your bullet testing methods. Our season starts on 8/15 and goes until 1/1 and that puts your assertion where it belongs............ In the toilet! Then, we have a two week season in the first part of January in Mississippi. So, you might want to improve your research techniques on hunting seasons and get your information more accurate than your testing methods for bullets. When you do all the math, we only have about five months (4.5 in SC and .5 in Mississippi) of deer seasons to test these bullets. I wish we had more, but this is the best we could do.
Now for the profitable response. For your information, not one HAT bullet has been fired at a deer by me. Based on the posting you have made about them zipping through the animals and me subsequently "playing the old ostrich trick", that entitles me to some cash and I want to thank you in advance for making the cash offer and I will gladly accept the wager and inform you that you have in fact lost your money. I will post to the readership the results of you following up on your wager.
Please send the advertised funds to me at:
James D. McCallum
PO Box 671
Goose Creek, SC 29445-0671
As soon as the HAT Generation II bullets are tested, you guys will be notified and you can contact the bullet maker for all photos and results.
Just for information and to prevent any confusion, the intial dies that were used for the HAT bullets were "off the shelf dies from Dave Corbin of Corbin custom dies (not Cabelas, Gander Mountain, Bass Pro Shops or Sears Mr Tilley)" from a die maker and without any intended use with aluminum-tipped bullets. The reason we are going to the Gen II bullets is because of the ballistically-slick dies that have been on order for upwards of a year are finally ready. Secondly, the Gen II bullets have always been an option since two sets of dies were in the picture and they will have a higher BC than the Gen I versions. The Gen I dies had some "quirks" that required extra steps and the Gen II dies do not have these same "quirks". I can find no reason to use up resources for testing bullets from dies that will not be used anymore (except when ground to a new configuration/caliber). And, no, GG we did not change anything due to your testing. The only thing that changed was our weight. We lost several pounds both discussing and laughing at your bullet testing attempts and subsequent conclusions. Thanks for the aerobic laughter and for a hot topic that fueled many conversations........... And, laughter is good medicine. I just want to make it crystal-clear that your testing has done nothing to influence the bullet design, production, or ammendment of any design of the HAT bullets. FWIW, had the Gen II bullet dies been available earlier in the year, they would have been the Gen I versions and we would have had testing results by now. At least the two bucks I have killed so far could have provided some live animal results for you guys. BTW, does this mean I get two-hundred more dollars or just the initial one-hundred?
Another thing that we have been doing is some research on bullet testing methods to ascertain wound channels and destructive capabilities. So far, all the material (reliable) has indicated that it must really be on live animals with blood pressure present at the time of impact. The reference in P.O. Ackley books states that testing dead animals was akin to shooting into modeling clay and not really accurate as compare to the live animal testing. Additionally, anything other than the live animals (goats) did not suffice for the referenced testing and really won't suffice for the HAT bullets either. After all, most of us have done our intial expansion testing of new bullets on live animals when we go to the field with a new bullet design or configuration. I don't know or have heard of anyone or any company (except for the federal gov't) that purchases live stock for impact and expansion testing.....
Finally, GG, I don't understand your interest in the results of our testing or the HAT bullets. Haven't you already done your testing, formed all your conclusions, published your results and had them validated by other "keyboard experts" and put into the record of absolutes? Frankly, I find it amusing that you remain interested in these bullets that you have proclaimed as less than acceptable by your standards.
Anyway, enough keyboard time for now. Time to cultipack some clover.......