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Old 07-13-2001, 07:19 AM
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Re: Light, high BC bullet

Warren

Once again I'm grateful for your replies. Thanks for the time and effort to solve this mystery for me.
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Old 07-24-2001, 05:31 PM
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Re: Light, high BC bullet

Warren,

Wasn't there some research into using very dense (denser than lead) materials for bullet construction in order to get very high BC values from otherwise conventional bullet designs?

Using a very dense material, the bullet weight could be maintained while the size and thus surface area (read drag) of the bullet could be reduced.

I'd be very happy with a 90-95 grain 6mm bullet with a BC of .8 or more. THAT would be a LOOOOOONG-range projectile.

Similarily a 200 grain .338 bullet with a BC approaching 1.0 would be an awesome long-range hunting projectile.

Peter Cronhelm
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Old 07-24-2001, 09:20 PM
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Re: Light, high BC bullet

Say something along the lines of depleted uranium. Maybe a nylon jacket or sabot. Say a 30 or 338 cal slug shaped like the Devel (muzzle loader) bullet (handloader #210 page 72) that has a polycarbonate tip.
A nonexpanding hunting bullet that has a high ballistic coefficient and can probably irradiate your meat for you all at the same time. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
Warren
If I see this bullet in the near future come out under the Lost River Ball Tech new products. I expect to see some royalties. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 07-25-2001, 04:14 PM
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Re: Light, high BC bullet

Guys,

An 80 grain bullet weighs 80 grains. It does not matter how dense the material is. It will occupy less volume, but then you won't be able to optimize the front end. Remember there is a rule in bullet making. The OAL of the bearing surface(the shank) has to be at least as long as the bullet is wide, so that it doesn't try to get sideways in the bore. A .308" cylinder that is .308" long has a volume of .0229 cu. in. Uranium has a density of .676 lb/ cu. in. The shank would weigh 108.59 gr. You could do some type of wasp waste to reduce the volume and keep the shank OAL the same but it would screw up the aeros and reduce the BC. Area Rule works in supersonic jet fighters but is worthless in bullets. They do not have wings.

I have experience with poly materials. When you use them as the leading edge at Mach 3+ velocities they begin to change shape after about .5 seconds flight time. The temperature builds to above 500 deg. F. at the leading edge, dependent on the tip shape, and combined with the tremendous back pressure it is sufficient for even the most high temperature resistant poly materials to begin to flow. The result is at that point the BC begins to decline.

The only way that I can see to get a 1.0 BC with a 30 cal. 80 gr. bullet would be to add thrust in flight. If you machined a combusition chamber into the rear half of the bullet and a very precise nozzle, then filled this with solid propellant, maybe you could get enough thrust to get the equivalent of a 1.0 BC trajectory. But with this configuration you can forget anything like what we would call accuracy. The ignition delay parameters and the burn rates would not be nearly precise enough. You can get much better control with liquid propellants but that requires pumps and regulators. Besides that, all this fuel and stuff is extra weight.

If you use a sabot and subcaliber the 80 grain projectile you can do it. If it is spin stabilized it will only be as accurate as the shoe material will allow, which is generally not great accuracy. It is more accurate to fin stabilize a subcaliber round, but you need a very high sectional density, >.600, to overcome the drag the fins add. Also, you need a smooth bore.

The point I am meandering around is that it is tough to repeal the laws of math and phyics.
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Old 07-25-2001, 05:07 PM
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Re: Light, high BC bullet

Warren, I'm afraid you bringing these physical realities to light has burst a lot of bubbles. [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img]

I was absolutely certain we could come up with the 'magic' bullet. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Again, thanks for spending the time and effort to post these replies and the fortitude to put up with our sophmoric ballistics designs. I truly enjoy the posts and am greatful for the opportunity to have knowledgable folks to query. Thanks!!


One last item. Are you sure about the laws of physics? How about if we tried using the burnt stuff off the bottom of my wifes cookies as a sort of heat shield, could we get a hollow polycarbonate bullet to fly and not melt. (That burnt stuff is really heat resistant, those cookies are still RAW in the middle!) [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

Thanks
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Old 07-25-2001, 09:37 PM
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Re: Light, high BC bullet

Burned cookies as a heat shield! You might be on to something there Dave. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Warren
Actualy I was thinking of some thing along the lines of a bullet that has the aproximate shape of the heavy Sierra Match Kings in 30 and 33 cal. Maybe replace the polycarbonate tip with a hollow thin copper or aluminum tip. But mantain a flat front under the more aerodynamic sharply pointed tip. Something to give you at least a one caliber flat front surface. Keep the weight about even with the match kings, 220-250 for the 30 and 250-300 for the 338, or even higher if need be. You wouldn't get super high velocity but the BC would be awesome!

[ 07-25-2001: Message edited by: txhunter ]
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Old 07-25-2001, 11:56 PM
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Re: Light, high BC bullet

Just got to thinking that if you went with a heavier bullet you don't need a metallic tip. A polycarbonate tip sitting on top of a flat nose would work.
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