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Unread 03-03-2002, 12:45 AM
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kids gun advise

not really on the "long range" topic but respect you guys that build those "super" guns.my deal is i bought my daughter one of those ruger markII in a 25-06 for her first gun(went too cheap, never again!) a couple years ago and the darn thing just won't group anything @100grn. bullet or heavier.she's an ok shot off the bench but the gun is a little nose heavy for her to hold freehand for very long.i have a little extra money to work on these problems.she hunts whitetail to elk and i'd feel better if she was shooting a larger bullet as her shot placement is still needing improving.the gun now shoots any 120 grainers no better than 2" off bags @100yds and she shoots it no better then @3".it will shoot 75grainers @1".(all these are 5 shot groups).now the questions.
is this gun worth working on or buy new?
if it is worth working what i can afford is:
bell & calson carblite stock
Montana Rifleman barrel
timney trigger
bedding job
maybe a little bolt and action work

cal. idea is a 338-06 which i know little about but think it would work good with a short barrel #4 at 22" to keep the front heavy problem lighter.she has shot my 338wm with a break a couple times and her uncles 300 wsm,so i think the recoil would be managable for her.if i buy new i would probly go with either the 270wsm or the 7wsm in a win. light.i want something that would shoot @1" at 100, be moderate to light recoil,shoot a bigger than 25 cal. bullet(as i have a bitter taste of cal. now) and be anything other than a 30-06 as everyone has this around here.right now she would not be shooting over 300yds but as she improves maybe out to 500 or better.how do you feel about the 338-06 or have any other cal. ideas with a short barrel not kicking to hard.
no muzzle breaks for her ears though.i only want to go @ $700 on this deal.
thanks for any imput,
rod
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    Unread 03-08-2002, 10:11 AM
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    Re: kids gun advise

    why not go with a Winchester feather weight in 300WSM . 150gr bullets at 2800 to 2900 to start and load up as she gets better
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    Unread 03-08-2002, 10:21 AM
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    Re: kids gun advise

    How about a Rem M7 in 7-08 or 308.Both would work fine for deer and elk....
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    Unread 03-11-2002, 01:49 AM
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    i do like the 300wsm and the featherweight win. would be nice.i thought about that option(probly the 270wsm though).nice compact gun.i know the 308 is pretty accurate but i have made so much fun of the big guy's carring them that i'd be laughed off the range.the 7-08 i feel is great for a first gun or a light "old" person carry number but it would be hard to go from a '06 case to a smaller one 'morally'.i put the stock on it and the trigger,but haven't shot it yet to see if that helps.thanks for the replys
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    Unread 03-11-2002, 09:35 PM
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    Re: kids gun advise

    Maybe try a 7mag with lighter loads and let her work her way up. Tried to get my kids into it but my 13y.o. daughter is another ellie-mae and my 17y.o. son doesn't have time. So feel very special .
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    Unread 05-07-2002, 10:43 AM
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    Re: kids gun advise

    I know this is late in this thread but, I experienced the same problem with my Ruger 25-06. Dang near made the mistake of selling it cheap! Then I tried seating the bullets .012" off the lands, and oh-boy what a difference! [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]
    Grouped right at 1 1/4", going out the muzzel at 3000fps using Sierra 117 spbt and IMR4831 powder. I tried IMR4350 and got same speed but grouped at a little over 3".
    So before you get rid of that rifle try seating your bullets .010" to .015" off the lands and see what happens. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
    One more question, who was shooting the rifle you or your Daughter? I know from personal experience with my daughter, shooting the heavier loads from the bench is a litttle intimadating and uncomfortable for her.But give her a gun with light recoil and she can shoot the eyes out of a gnat! So maybe sneak out by yourself and try the gun or next time you go shooting with her, watch her real close to see if she is flinching or jerking the trigger. If none of this works let me know what you want for the gun, maybe we can work something out! [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
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    Unread 05-07-2002, 11:28 PM
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    Re: kids gun advise

    Hello MM

    I would try to have a rifle with lower recoil for her. High recoil destroys accuracy shooting for 'anyone". That's where the muzzle brakes come in handy but, they are bad on ears.

    I wouldn't over look the old 270 with 130 gr and 135 gr bullets. Theres not an elk alive that wouldn't go down when hit with either of those bulletrs.

    How about a bipod for her rifle also?

    Just some additional thoughts to add to those above.

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