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Old 11-19-2012, 01:48 PM
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Re: I'm indecisive. Help me choose a caliber.

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I'm looking for some input on caliber selection for my first long range setup. I currently shoot a 308 win at distances of less than 500 yards. The rifle is way too light for me to get anything at extended ranges done with it, and it's a Ruger, so I'm really not expecting phenomenal accuracy out of it.

I'm thinking that I want to use a Savage as a donor. I prefer short actions, but may be willing to work with a long action. I will be using this for fun and for deer hunting, and I'm planning to build something in the style of the Noreen ULR or the CheyTac Intervention. Sure, they're ugly. But I just like them. Anyway, I want a vertical grip, and will be making the stock. Planning for something around 12 or 15 lbs because I don't handle recoil well anymore, and I'm planning on it to enhance my stability. Have a Vari-X 4 tactical 4.5-14x to mount on it until I select something better.

So, on to my actual question...

I want to be able to shoot out to about 1000 yards or more for fun. I won't be shooting anything bigger than a whitetail with it, and that will likely be at no more than 800 yards. I was orignally thinking of going with a 243 or 308, but I'm not sure I trust the downrange energy on them. Any other 6mm suggestions that would be effective and not too problematic? It gets windy around here sometimes. I was also considering 300wm. I was considering 338 Lapua at one point, but I'm not sure I want to mess with it right now. Was also considering 270, but not sure that it will do what I want.

Also, what are your barrel length and twist recommendations for the recommended calibers. I'm open to ideas for other calibers as well. But the caliber needs to be flexible and easy to find components for.

Yes, I reload. Yes, this is my first post, and I've been reading as much as I can, but wants some help tayloring this weapon to me. And yes, this is a great site.
Sounds like you have it right with your first thought.

300 win and use a match reamer.
1 in 10 twist 28", barrel Broughton 5C or Hart six land, Sendero Contour
JP side discharge tactical compensator brake !! LOVE them!!
Load some 215 Berger Hybrids with a Fed 215 and H-1000 start .-040" off the lands. Expect velocity higher than you think from this wonderful bullet and it's short bearing surface. Enjoy the high BC on the windy days.

Mine is 14 and 0 for big game kills this year from 200 yards to 1285. None have taken more than a couple steps. Last group at 1007 yds was under 4"

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Old 11-19-2012, 02:40 PM
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Re: I'm indecisive. Help me choose a caliber.

I'll be taking your advice and building one very soon Jeff. I can't wait!
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:15 PM
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Re: I'm indecisive. Help me choose a caliber.

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I'm looking for some input on caliber selection for my first long range setup. I currently shoot a 308 win at distances of less than 500 yards. The rifle is way too light for me to get anything at extended ranges done with it, and it's a Ruger, so I'm really not expecting phenomenal accuracy out of it.

I'm thinking that I want to use a Savage as a donor. I prefer short actions, but may be willing to work with a long action. I will be using this for fun and for deer hunting, and I'm planning to build something in the style of the Noreen ULR or the CheyTac Intervention. Sure, they're ugly. But I just like them. Anyway, I want a vertical grip, and will be making the stock. Planning for something around 12 or 15 lbs because I don't handle recoil well anymore, and I'm planning on it to enhance my stability. Have a Vari-X 4 tactical 4.5-14x to mount on it until I select something better.

So, on to my actual question...

I want to be able to shoot out to about 1000 yards or more for fun. I won't be shooting anything bigger than a whitetail with it, and that will likely be at no more than 800 yards. I was orignally thinking of going with a 243 or 308, but I'm not sure I trust the downrange energy on them. Any other 6mm suggestions that would be effective and not too problematic? It gets windy around here sometimes. I was also considering 300wm. I was considering 338 Lapua at one point, but I'm not sure I want to mess with it right now. Was also considering 270, but not sure that it will do what I want.

Also, what are your barrel length and twist recommendations for the recommended calibers. I'm open to ideas for other calibers as well. But the caliber needs to be flexible and easy to find components for.

Yes, I reload. Yes, this is my first post, and I've been reading as much as I can, but wants some help tayloring this weapon to me. And yes, this is a great site.

Remington 700 VLS...the laminated stocked "varmint" rifle in 308. Good baseline for what your looking for. But one...reload for it...toss the factory trigger and install a Jewel and scope it with your choice

Shoo tit till there is no barrel left and then not only will you see that a 308 can hack it for 1000 yards but you'll be positive of what caliber you might want for a re-barrel.
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:47 PM
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Re: I'm indecisive. Help me choose a caliber.

I was just rereading this thread to go over the range of suggestions we threw at him. Some of us, myself included, diverged from the specs of his original request.

He wanted suggestions for a short-action load that could punch paper to 1,000 yards & deer to 800 yards for a custom rifle to be built on a Savage action that would top out at around 15 pounds and have minimal recoil.

Going back to those specs, the WSM cartridges are the only suggestions I would make, be it the: .270, 7 MM or 300 WSM. The 7 MM WSM is now becoming obsolete as few if any rifles are still being produced in it so I do not suggest building anything in that chambering. The .270 WSM and .300 WSM have become very common rounds. The .270 WSM is nearly a performance clone of the 7 MM Rem mag and the .300 WSM is a performance clone of the .300 Win mag.. Either of these cartridges has the potential to do what you are looking for. The .270 has the advantage in that it is faster so bullet drop is less an issue for the first 600 yards and the .300 WSM has the advantage of much more retained energy as you approach the 800 yard mark. Weigh those tradeoffs & make your choice.

For either chambering I would be looking at a 28-30" barrel for a heavy long-range rig. If you have an Accutrigger, fine, otherwise replace the Savage trigger with a good trigger.

The chamber should be cut to match your anticipated loading. Barrel twist should also be ordered to match the bullets you anticipate shooting. (Most bullets now come with a recommended twist rate on the box.)

WSM cartridges are easy to reload for & can be very accurate.

Good luck!
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Old 11-20-2012, 05:58 AM
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Re: I'm indecisive. Help me choose a caliber.

Appreciate the re-route, Buano. Although I have enjoyed the roundabout discussion, and has made me think about things a little more.

As I stated earlier, I prefer short actions, but would be willing to consider a long action for this project. I was actually starting to think that I should build this on a long action, so I could re-barrel it to something else down the road, and not have to restrict myself to a short action round. I was also thinking that I could be selling myself short in choosing to stay with a short action on this project.

All things together right now, I am really thinking that my caliber of choice is going to be 7mm Rem Mag. I keep thinking that something in 6 or 6.5 would be better, but I haven't had the time to research component availability on them. I've heard some on the 243, but nothing that really caught my interest.

I really need to keep this project to about $800 if I can. Even at that budget, it will probably take me some time to put together. My layout right now looks like this:

$200-300 donor rifle
$300-400 barrel
$100-200 mounts, trigger, and other stuff

Planning to do my own stock work, and to sell parts off of my donor.

Anyway, still really hoping to hear some good chatter on 6 and 6.5 mm, otherwise I think I have my mind made up on 7mm RM. (I'd do a handful of different rifles in different calibers to meet all the scenarios if I could, but I've got 2 young boys to feed and my wife can't find a job, blah blah blah. Life is getting in the way of me getting all the guns I want and need.)
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:32 PM
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Re: I'm indecisive. Help me choose a caliber.

Taking your price range into consideration and the fact that you already like Savage rifles, I'm not sure how you could look past any of the Savage models chambered in 6.5-284.

I'm no particular fan of Savage rifles but they are probably one of, if not, the best shooting rifles you can buy right off the shelf. Especially the ones in 6.5-284. I'm not sure which model 11 it is, maybe the LR Hunter or something like that, but it's pretty close to your price range and it is in a synthetic stock w/adjustable check piece, has a 1-8tw barrel that will shoot the 140's and also comes with a brake. I remember reading a review on one and everyone was VERY impressed with how well it shot right out of the box.

With the 6.5-284 you would get to use Lapua brass and that alone would give it serious bonus points in my book, not to mention the fact that the 6.5-284 chambering is inherently very accurate.
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Re: I'm indecisive. Help me choose a caliber.

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Taking your price range into consideration and the fact that you already like Savage rifles, I'm not sure how you could look past any of the Savage models chambered in 6.5-284.

I'm no particular fan of Savage rifles but they are probably one of, if not, the best shooting rifles you can buy right off the shelf. Especially the ones in 6.5-284. I'm not sure which model 11 it is, maybe the LR Hunter or something like that, but it's pretty close to your price range and it is in a synthetic stock w/adjustable check piece, has a 1-8tw barrel that will shoot the 140's and also comes with a brake. I remember reading a review on one and everyone was VERY impressed with how well it shot right out of the box.

With the 6.5-284 you would get to use Lapua brass and that alone would give it serious bonus points in my book, not to mention the fact that the 6.5-284 chambering is inherently very accurate.

I like your suggestion.

MSRP on these is $1,020 but it may be available in his price range. I do agree it's one hell of a rifle even if it has a carbon-steel barrel. It's ready for a scope! This rifle should do everything he's looking for AND MORE!

Since this same rifle is available in .338 Lapua, and he already has a "short range" rifle, I would lean that direction if he plans on hunting bigger game or extending ranges down the road. If not, the 6.5-284 is ideal.
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