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Old 01-26-2014, 04:43 PM
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Re: Hornady 208gr AMAX For Hunting

question for both Micheals .....

I intend to use the Amax bullet for Dall Sheep and Mt Goat in my 300 Norma based wildcat (sim to 300 Rum velocity)

My goal is to anchor the animal DRT with a full on shoulder shot to prevent leaping off a cliff,
around 18 years ago or so , I shot a nice Billy with 13" horns but he ran and jumped off a steep cliff 300+ feet straight down landed on his head and pulverized the skull and split open one of the horns, could not score the billy and no chance of putting the skull together for a mount, it was bone fragment mush
I used a 300 Win Mag loaded with the original "Black Talon" 180 gr Fail Safe bullets pulled from factory loaded .30-06 ammo, my moose hunting load at the time , that worked great on large bull moose but was a terrible choice for a 400 yard shot on a Mt Goat

my question is what would you use ... the 178 gr or 208 gr AMax ?
specifically for shooting those two animals dead square on the shoulder at ranges from 100 yards out to 600 yards

also what are your thoughts on the use of the Hornady 208 gr and 225 gr BTHP Match bullets for this application ?

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Old 01-26-2014, 05:00 PM
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Re: Hornady 208gr AMAX For Hunting

I can't vouch for the 208 HPBT or 225 HPBT. It's hard to say how they'd react.

I've shot some dall sheep with 168 amaxs. Some in the shoulders and neck. They did pretty good but they were at 308 velocities. I've shot Sitka blacktail bucks at RUM velocities with the 178. They did pretty good there too. I've only shot one mt goat and that wasn't with an amax. Was a 300 grain SMK 338 cal.

Based on what I've seen from goats I'd favor the 208s hands down. High shoulder to prevent them from leaping into the abyss for which they are widely known for.

As far as sheep, you won't have any trouble with the 178 amax. Goats though as you know are A: much more sturdy than dalls and B: much more determined than dalls.

Don't leave it to chance when goats are concerned. Go heavy with high sectional density and retained energy. Even then, you still need to break them down structurally as they can absorb a lot of energy and still head for the edge. The 208 will offer much more retained energy as well as mass to break the bones needed. Much more so than the 178.
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Re: Hornady 208gr AMAX For Hunting

Wow there isn't much these A-MAXs can't do!
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Re: Hornady 208gr AMAX For Hunting

I'd really like to see Hornady produce a 30 cal 225 gr A-Max this summer
y'know .. so we have a little bit of time to work up a load for the hunting season
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Re: Hornady 208gr AMAX For Hunting

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I'd really like to see Hornady produce a 30 cal 225 gr A-Max this summer
y'know .. so we have a little bit of time to work up a load for the hunting season
+1 on that 225 grainer, its BCs would be in the .700s! Also like to see a .30cal 190gr A-MAX. Would really be nice if Hornady introduced a .277cal A-MAX though, that way I could shoot them in everything I have. Imagine the BCs on a 160ish grain .277 A-MAX! Those would be awesome for the .270 WSM ,my cousin has, and any other .270 Magnums. A standard weight .277 A-MAX would work great in my .270 WIN for long range hunting and shooting, most likely its BCs would be higher than the 140gr SST I'm shooting now. Everything from .224 to .338cal has an A-MAX besides the .277cal, hopefully there'll be one eventually.
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Re: Hornady 208gr AMAX For Hunting

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question for both Micheals .....

I intend to use the Amax bullet for Dall Sheep and Mt Goat in my 300 Norma based wildcat (sim to 300 Rum velocity)

My goal is to anchor the animal DRT with a full on shoulder shot to prevent leaping off a cliff,

my question is what would you use ... the 178 gr or 208 gr AMax ?
specifically for shooting those two animals dead square on the shoulder at ranges from 100 yards out to 600 yards

also what are your thoughts on the use of the Hornady 208 gr and 225 gr BTHP Match bullets for this application ?

Swamplord
I think the 208 AMAX is the best bet, but I've never shot a Dall sheep or a Mt Goat.

My reasoning is this:

1. You really want to keep the impact velocity under 2900 ft/s. In the thin mountain air, the 178 AMAX may retain higher velocity for a long distance.

2. Hitting shoulders at 600 yards can be iffy. The 208 AMAX has the best chance to both expand and hit either the near or the far shoulder if you can't line up both shoulders.

3. The Hornady 208 and 225 gr BTHP bullets have unknown performance in game. Many open tipped match bullets are iffy on game, and I'd presume these may be also unless there are definite reports over a wide range of impact velocities.

Nothing is definite with shooting at 300-600 yards. Wind, angles, and elevation can play havoc with shot placement. I think the 208 gr AMAX minimizes the probability of another bad experience, but there are no guarantees.

We've shot a lot of deer (hundreds) with ballistic tips and the 110 VMAX at 30-06 and 308 velocities. Rapidly expanding bullets can drop a good percentage of animals immediately without hitting the shoulder, but the best chance of an immediate drop is always to hit a shoulder. In addition to great terminal performance, the 208 AMAX also gives you a great chance to hit a shoulder at long range with its high BC and accuracy.

Another thing we like about the 208 gr AMAX is that if you take a longer than expected shot at long range and impact below the expansion threshold of the bullet, the bullet tumbles and still has very good wounding effect due to such a long bullet moving sideways.
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Old 02-05-2014, 11:53 AM
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I think the 208 AMAX is the best bet, but I've never shot a Dall sheep or a Mt Goat.

My reasoning is this:

1. You really want to keep the impact velocity under 2900 ft/s. In the thin mountain air, the 178 AMAX may retain higher velocity for a long distance.

2. Hitting shoulders at 600 yards can be iffy. The 208 AMAX has the best chance to both expand and hit either the near or the far shoulder if you can't line up both shoulders.

3. The Hornady 208 and 225 gr BTHP bullets have unknown performance in game. Many open tipped match bullets are iffy on game, and I'd presume these may be also unless there are definite reports over a wide range of impact velocities.

Nothing is definite with shooting at 300-600 yards. Wind, angles, and elevation can play havoc with shot placement. I think the 208 gr AMAX minimizes the probability of another bad experience, but there are no guarantees.

We've shot a lot of deer (hundreds) with ballistic tips and the 110 VMAX at 30-06 and 308 velocities. Rapidly expanding bullets can drop a good percentage of animals immediately without hitting the shoulder, but the best chance of an immediate drop is always to hit a shoulder. In addition to great terminal performance, the 208 AMAX also gives you a great chance to hit a shoulder at long range with its high BC and accuracy.

Another thing we like about the 208 gr AMAX is that if you take a longer than expected shot at long range and impact below the expansion threshold of the bullet, the bullet tumbles and still has very good wounding effect due to such a long bullet moving sideways.
Thank you for this detailed information. Really gets me interested in the A-MAX line of bullets. Its amazing on how well its terminal performance is on game. Never would have thought this bullet would be so versatile.
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