This thread is starting to get that "spin" (pun intended) that things are going to get to the point where they start hurting people's feelings. I hope that doesn't happen. I started this thread biased TOWARDS HAT bullets as I fell in love with the idea of such a high bc "hunting" bullet. But I am too damn honest I guess. I always report my findings whether they agree with my pre-concieved ideas or not. And my intentions were not to derail the production of HAT bullets or hamper their saleability. I simply ran a test that has proven accurate and dependable in the past with other bullets and reported my findings like I promised I would. Believe me, I would have rather spent 5 hours shooting my 6ppc instead of digging through recycle bins in 100 degree heat, lugging a 100 pound box onto the range, and setting up all my gear just to shoot ten bullets for a test that seems to get people all riled up. But I figured if I'm going to launch these bullets at game, I owe it to them to make sure they are going to dispatch quickly. After all, I don't see the point in a high bc bullet that lets me hit an elk at 1500 yards if it won't kill it afterwords.
I encourage others to do tests on these bullets. And I pray your results are different than mine. I believe one test by itself is not as good as multiples from other guns in other locations. Please take this thread for what it is and I hope I can buy more of these bullets in the future if I so choose!
If it's not far, it's boring.
Last edited by goodgrouper; 08-07-2008 at 10:45 PM.
I'd agree although lightvarmint has informed me that the jackets on the Henson bullets are softer than the J4's that Berger uses already.
I thought they said they use the same jackets a Richard Graves. And doesn't Richard use the Hairfield jackets? They are way heavier than Berger.
I know richards hollow points don't have any expansion problems. Has anyone tested Richard's aluminum tip bullets? I bet Kirby could help out here. I would like to test Richards against Hensons. I think that could lead to positive results.
I would also like to add that any critisism I offer is contructive. I realize that this is Mr. Henson's first generation. Version 1.0 as they say in the computer world. I wish him the best of luck and success and I'm happy to help any way I can.
Hmmm interesting thread, Roll-Yur-Own if im not mistaking I believe youre right about richards bullets using Hairfield jackets and maybe Kirby can chime in as he might know for sure.
The 338 Hairfield jackets that we used were either .030 ~.035 (pretty thick) if im not mistaken and what we did to overcome expansion issues was to use a "skiving die". Not sure if this would be a way for them to address any expansion problems but I know i'll be interested to see the results of anymore test people come up with.
I'm sorry for any negative spin I imparted to your post. I'm sure it seems that way from your end. But I think it has been an excellent discussion that will contribute to better long range bullets. I very much agree that a dedicated long range bullet like this should reliably expand at velocities below 1900 fps. Ideally there would be reliable expansion at the nose even down to 1200 fps but then a tough enough shank to the bullet that it won't blow up at higher speeds or with bone impact. We ask a lot of our bullet makers. These discussions should help them. I has helped me!!!
I have learned a lot from this thread about bullet performance. It isnt something I have ever paid much attention to because I have never had a bullet fail. Thanks for a going the extra mile and performing the test GG. Your efforts are appreciated.
AJ Peacock, thanks for the info. I hadnt even considered the directional componant of the tumble, but your explanation makes perfect sense to me. I have always been a firm beleiver that you put any bullet in the heart lung area of an animal and the animal dies. I see now how a perfect shot, landing where you aim it, could still miss vitals if it took a wrong turn.
I admit that I know just enough to be dangerous.....but dangerous at ever extending distances.
I really appreciate this thread. And I stand along side GG regarding the desire that feelings not be hurt. I doubt that anyone has that intention.
I do know what it feels like when the sirst time out of the chute things don't go as was expected, every time. This is where the men get separated from the boys.
I know what it's like bringing a product from and idea to public acceptance. The power of the internet medium and the implementation of Len's living room idea, make just about every thing public. Which is good for all of us.
When all of this stuff including the HAT bullets make it through the refiners fire (us) they will be like gold. I eagerly await their perfection.
However, I just have to make a comment about the compressibility of water. My experience as an old Navy Nuke says that water is compressible. At least at 545 degrees F and 2500 PSI.;)
Hang in there guys, i'm cheering for ya!
Last edited by royinidaho; 08-08-2008 at 02:08 PM.