Originally Posted by jwp475
Lightvarmint, why not send a few bullets to Brain and then we will have an accurate BC number derieved by shooting to 600 yards with equipment designed for such measurement.
Brain, I believe will gladly test theses bullet and report the truth about the BC numbers
We have already had other folks test them and we conduct our tests as "blind" tests to prevent the results from not being achievable to everyone. Other testers came up with very similar numbers to ours.
It is poor form for a competitor to hijack a thread to shift the thread focus to another subject (him).
As far as sending him any bullets, he is free to order some but he is not an unbiased opion and therefore his results would not be considered valid. Nothing against his equipment or resources, but I think we have the perfect test facility down here to test in as close to "zero" conditions as possible. Also our guns that are used to test specimens can be equalled but are hard to beat. Agan, Based on Dr Oehler shooting the low profile, low drag bullets over chronographs are not as accurate as shooting them on a drop board for determining BCs and predicting bullet flight.
He could send me some of his 338s and I could test them on the same range in the same gun and provide side by side comparisons out to 928 yards (I can go way farther than that but the shooting conditions will not be as sanitary as out to 928 which is entirely protected on all four sides). But, I am not really interested in his bullets at all. I really see no need in wasting barrel life and reloading components to shoot something that is not as up to par in performance aspects as what we already have. Now, if he comes up with some higher BC bullets that push the envelope, then, that would be worthy of a look..... But for now, the Berger "mystery" .338 is not even the least bit tempting. I know what we have in the BC department, I know how accurate they are and I know how devastating they are on game. Basically, with those three knowns, I see no reason to be interested in anything else. BTW, the Henson's were tested at both 600 and 928 and we got virtually the same numbers from each test.
Other shooters have tested them out farther and they are getting similar numbers as well. We have found that the more accurate the load is and how firm the zero is at the intermediate ranges greatly influences the longer distance BC values.. For instance, if you are not tuning the loads to achieve the most hair-splitting accuracy or if you do not get the zero to inside the adjustment capability of your scope, then you are not ready to shoot long range BC testing shots.
JWP, basically here you go again inferring and causing friction. If you want to test some of Brians .338s feel free to (if he actually ever makes any for general consuption). Anyone can make a run of "test" or "sample" bullets. The real litmus test is to make production bullets and dip your hand into the box and test what is in the palm of you hand. If you want to test some of the Henson's, pay 1.65 each for them and get some to test.
FWIW, I do take offense when you infer that my/our numbers are not accurate. We have gone to great lengths to prevent from putting out bad BC information. As I said before, they are a worst case scenario..... If you want to try to create some friction, just go somewhere else. Or even better yet, put your money where your mouth and keyboard are and buy some bullets to send to Brian if you want him to have some.
Lastly, "We" (you) are not interested in them anyway and it only seems as though you are interested in causing first trouble and then more trouble. You would probably "disappear" under a rock when Brian's unbiased results confirmed our findings. Actually from the BC standpoint, other folks have confirmed our findings and we do not "need" Brian. It seems to me that your sole interest in this is trying to stir up trouble and friction.
I/we have nothing to hide. We have actually deflated the results when we take the worst case vice the average. These are real world results shot in close to sanitary shooting conditions. The only thing better for a testing facility would be a huge warehouse or a tunnel.
JWP, it is a very simple processs, if you don't want to shoot the HATS, then go get some other bullets. If you want some HATS then order some.
Our 265 BC testing is completed for the current die and recipe that is used. We will be testing the 280s and 300s later this week. Once the .338s are completed then we will be testing the BCs of the 210s 215s and 220s in .30 caliber.