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Old 10-28-2013, 05:29 PM
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Re: Help with finding rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor

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Outlaw, I can't agree with you in regards to the Predator. For run of the mill Ruger 77's especially older ones I'm right there with you, but not for the Predator. First off, let me state I am NOT a Ruger fan. I make only two exceptions when it comes to their rifles. One is the 10/22, I mean everyone should have one or more. They are just plain fun to shoot. The other is the Predator. Will it shoot? My experience is most definitely. Here is the very first 3 shot group out my .204 Ruger using plain-jane Hornady ammo 40gr Vmax. Could reloading tighten it up even more? Perhaps, but who cares it's plenty accurate for the limitation range of a .204.


As for your other concern's. Investment cast actions are not my favorite either, but we are talking about a short action here and not a super high pressure magnum. Regardless I still like it better than those butt-ugly Savage actions (of which I own several). All my Savages shoot really well and ugly me to death every time I look at them.

Three action screws, well it is what it is. A PITA perhaps, but in all reality not a very big one. That is getting borderline knit picking. I don't like the angled action screw but it can be bedded like any other action it just takes a little more attention to detail.

As for the Picatinny mount. You can buy a Picatinny mount to intall over the integral mount so that makes it a non-issue if one wants a Picatinny.

Lastly, I own two Predators and plan to buy at least one more. I also have 3 close friends that use Predator's. All of our rifles, without exception, shoot as well as the target I posted. Some even better with the group being just one enlarged hole. So they must being something right with their barrels these days. On that note the absolute worst rifle I ever shot "group wise" was a Ruger 77 walnut stocked rifle made in the 80's (before Ruger made their own barrels). It was a total POS as were a number of other 77's I have shot. The Predator is a different animal. As for gunsmith's turning their noses up and laughing. Well unlike the last 5 Remington's I bought I can't think of a reason why I would need to take it to a gunsmith, other that to possibly add an adjustable comb or have the trigger fine tuned. (Though the ladder may not even be needed.) I will stand by my opinion that it IS a better rifle than either the Savage and the DPMS. In fact, if you want to buy a Predator and trade me for one of my Savage rifles I'm all for it.
Im not a Ruger fan either but I like the Predator. As far as holding your noses at "castings"...this aint the 1950s guys and investment castings ( look up why they are called investment) done properly as as good as any action material and better than some. The 6.5 Creed I can take or leave...dont matter to me...I pondered over the caliber and finaly went with the 260 Remington. Just so you know where Im coming from...I dont like Savages and wouldnt have a DPMS or any other of those WW5 rifles in my house!
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Old 10-28-2013, 05:42 PM
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Im not a Ruger fan either but I like the Predator. As far as holding your noses at "castings"...this aint the 1950s guys and investment castings ( look up why they are called investment) done properly as as good as any action material and better than some. The 6.5 Creed I can take or leave...dont matter to me...I pondered over the caliber and finaly went with the 260 Remington. Just so you know where Im coming from...I dont like Savages and wouldnt have a DPMS or any other of those WW5 rifles in my house!

Good to know, I don't think i've seen a Predator on the shelf, then again, I'm used to walking right past the Ruger rack.

The 'Creed is just another way of doing what the 260 had been doing for quite a while, I like it.

WW5 rifles lol Don't worry buddy, i've got 4. I guess you're covered.


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Old 10-28-2013, 07:27 PM
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You pose some good questions. I will do my best to answer.

First the trigger on the Predator is not the new Ruger trigger. It has a target grade two-stage trigger which I MUCH prefer. I used to shoot a RRA AR with a match grade two-stage and got very used to it. Anymore I find myself annoyed with single staged triggers. Now that might just be me, but as a hard core coyote hunter I really, really, really prefer a quality two-stage trigger. The Predator has just such a trigger. A second major plus of the Ruger Predator is that the barrel is right between a standard weight and a heavy barrel. Pretty close to a magnum contour. It settles in very nicely off a bipod for longer shots, but it's light enough to pack around all day. My biggest gripe about most varminter or LR rifles is they are too heavy to be a practical carry rifle. This rifle is a good balance between the standard weight rifles that are too light for long range and the bull barreled canons. I also very much like the laminate stock on this rifle. It is very comfortable and ,to me, very pleasing to the eye. It fits me very well. So well in fact that I killed 16 coyotes in a row before I had one get away and then killed 7 more before my next miss. I haven't had that good of a track record with any other rifle I've ever owned. Cost wise the Predator is right around $800.00. Taking into consideration the original poster of this thread said he was in school and had a $1200.00 budget that would leave him with $400.00 to put okay glass on his rifle. If he had a bigger budget I'd recommend a custom rifle as well, but I'm trying to stay within his limitations and give him what I think is a better choice than the DPMS (not a fan at all) or the Savage. Okay I think I covered most everything. Oh and btw, I never slowed down walking past the Ruger's either, until one day I accidently picked up the Ruger Predator thinking it was a different brand of rifle. One squeeze of the trigger and I was hooked. I have not be disappointed. It sure did take a leap of faith to buy that first one though, as I really didn't like Ruger 77's and had not had a positive experience with them prior to the Predators.
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You pose some good questions. I will do my best to answer.

First the trigger on the Predator is not the new Ruger trigger. It has a target grade two-stage trigger which I MUCH prefer. I used to shoot a RRA AR with a match grade two-stage and got very used to it. Anymore I find myself annoyed with single staged triggers. Now that might just be me, but as a hard core coyote hunter I really, really, really prefer a quality two-stage trigger. The Predator has just such a trigger. A second major plus of the Ruger Predator is that the barrel is right between a standard weight and a heavy barrel. Pretty close to a magnum contour. It settles in very nicely off a bipod for longer shots, but it's light enough to pack around all day. My biggest gripe about most varminter or LR rifles is they are too heavy to be a practical carry rifle. This rifle is a good balance between the standard weight rifles that are too light for long range and the bull barreled canons. I also very much like the laminate stock on this rifle. It is very comfortable and ,to me, very pleasing to the eye. It fits me very well. So well in fact that I killed 16 coyotes in a row before I had one get away and then killed 7 more before my next miss. I haven't had that good of a track record with any other rifle I've ever owned. Cost wise the Predator is right around $800.00. Taking into consideration the original poster of this thread said he was in school and had a $1200.00 budget that would leave him with $400.00 to put okay glass on his rifle. If he had a bigger budget I'd recommend a custom rifle as well, but I'm trying to stay within his limitations and give him what I think is a better choice than the DPMS (not a fan at all) or the Savage. Okay I think I covered most everything. Oh and btw, I never slowed down walking past the Ruger's either, until one day I accidently picked up the Ruger Predator thinking it was a different brand of rifle. One squeeze of the trigger and I was hooked. I have not be disappointed. It sure did take a leap of faith to buy that first one though, as I really didn't like Ruger 77's and had not had a positive experience with them prior to the Predators.
Thank you for all the info on this rifle. I never considered Ruger til you brought up the predator(not a fan of ruger AT ALL, rifles or 10/22). Ill definitely be doing some research on this rifle. It definitely is a good looking gun. Love laminate stocks. I would love to custom build a remington 700 but i cant afford that and buy a half way decent scope so thank you for taking that into consideration. It sucks being a college student!!!! So i think i might be leaning toward this rifle since how its waaaaay better looking than the savage and seems to be a shooter.
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Re: Help with finding rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor

There is nothing wrong with due dilligence.

I truly hope Ruger has stepped up their game, they needed it.

Keep us posted as you do your thing & make your choice.


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There is nothing wrong with due dilligence.

I truly hope Ruger has stepped up their game, they needed it.

Keep us posted as you do your thing & make your choice.


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Thanks outlaw will do. The toss up is savage or the ruger and i agree ruger really do need to step up there game. I myself also walked by the ruger rack at the gun store but this rifle has sparked my interest. There will be lots of research on my part before i make my decision. The problem is that there are many new rifles coming at in this caliber every year so it makes the decision even harder. If i had the money id build a 700 in a heart beat. but being in school and having a girlfriend that wants to get married when im done school i need to save my pennies. From what i understand and the reseach ive done to build that rifle wont be cheap. So i need a cheaper gun that i can put a 400-500 scope on it. Any suggestions on what scope i should get? i was looking at a Weaver super slam in a 3-15x42mm. Any thoughts on this scope or should i look else where?
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Old 10-30-2013, 12:08 PM
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Re: Help with finding rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor

I cannot comment on the Weaver, I have never used one.

I would start by cruising the classified's. I'm actually running a Vortex Viper PST on my 6.5 Creed'. Pretty decent scope for the $$ (except it's foreign made) & seems to do the job. This is the 4-16 I believe with the illuminated SFP reticle, it's a couple hundred more $$ than what you've stated but It's the cheapest i've run.

I personally believe that your rifle is only as good as your optics, sub par optics lead to sub par shooting, IMHO. If you need to save for a little while longer, please do so. Find an optic (there is nothing wrong with used) from a reputable company, research that optic. There's a good chance that someone's done a review at some point in time.


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