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(HAT) Henson Aluminum Tipped Bullet 338 Rum Test

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Unread 01-30-2010, 06:11 PM
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Re: (HAT) Henson Aluminum Tipped Bullet 338 Rum Test


I have to give Bryan credit, the conditions, drop and results are exactly like in that document hs linked. Why did you say you shot it today? I was just out shooting and it's 17degrees here, unless your in southern florida or Texas, it's not 69.6 degrees, again.

The information looks for credible that anything LV has posted that I've seen, but I don't like how you say you shot it today.

You say Byran lacks attention to detail... He's a Ballistician for BERGER... I think that disproved your claim. Not to mention he remembered or ha written down LV's claims from months ago and recalled them just like that.

IMO, rather than fight over the net, make a few 50rd sample packs and sell them at like a max of 2per customer at a little over production costs, and then have a thread made with all the results. If the BCs are what you claim, and independant parties and trusted members of this forum say they work, they'll sell. Simple as that.

I think your a good guy and hope these bullets work, just hate to see all this fighting on here. The point of this website is to share experiences, information, test results, and most importantly have a good time, or am I completely off?


Unread 01-30-2010, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by GREYGHOSTt View Post
The real procedure is the same..
What does that mean? Does it mean the conditions today really were the same as last year within 0.1 degrees and 0.01 inHg?

And no i still do not want to hire you for a ballistician.
Good, my offer no longer stands. I offered to test your bullets for a fee. When you declined, I tested them anyway for the sake of your to-be-disappointed 'would be' customers. That service is provided for no charge.

YOU showed you lack of detail in your earlier post and i quote( i didnot work up a accurate load)..
Does that mean that because I didn't buy more of your bullets to work up a load that my BC testing results are invalid? Are you saying that a non-precise load shoots bullets with a different BC than a precise load?

Well sir a accurate load is essential for doing correct drop for bc's.
That's true, if you derive BC from drop. My method uses time of flight (not drop) so I don't have to work up each load to be 'accurate'.

All companies that use declining velocity shoot hundreds of rounds that you didnot have..
I'm not sure what you're saying here. My measured BC's are repeatable within +/- 1% using my method and equipment. It doesn't take 100's of rounds.

According to you all the longrange animals that were shot with the hats using our bc's were misses.
1) What are your BC's? You've never posted anything, only performance that implies a BC for your particular testing.
2) A BC that's off by 30% results in the POI being off by about 10" at 1000 yards for this class of bullet at the speeds you're at. You can miss the aimpoint by 10" and still kill an animal.

You might want to check your equiment since Eddybo has hit his intended targets..
He's hit his intended targets using a BC that's lower than what you're supporting.

And on a nother note i am still not going to pay you for the modeling you did that i didnot request.
I never asked you for payment. As I said above, the work I've done modeling and testing your bullets was done for the benefit of the shooting community at no charge. You're welcome.

But any day you want to come out to the range and prove your verbose claims bring it on!!!!!!!!!
My testing procedure has proven to be accurate and produce results which many shooters have used to hit targets at long range. I don't need your personal approval.

(We put the large flat end on the HAT in the case first)
I don't know what that has to do with anything?

The question i thought was how we derived the bc's not the actual rum shooting conditions .
Shooting conditions have a lot to do with the derived BC. You claimed that you tested the bullets just 'today', and the test conditions are exactly the same as those reported last year. Now if you simply copied and pasted the performance data from last year, OK, say that. But your last post leads everyone to think you've tested the bullets today. Did you? Or did you just copy and paste the same claims that started the sh!tstorm last year?

Unread 01-30-2010, 06:29 PM
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Re: (HAT) Henson Aluminum Tipped Bullet 338 Rum Test

Long range shooting is a process that ends with a result. Once you start to focus on the result (how bad your last shot was, how big the group is going to be, what your buck will score, what your match score is, what place you are in...) then you loose the capacity to focus on the process.
Unread 01-30-2010, 06:58 PM
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LV made a point early in this thread that you are controlling the neck ID to within .000002 (2 millionths). What type of equipent\measuring system are you using to accomplish this? Are you doing it in a temperature controlled environment? I know this is off the BC debate, but I'm curious.
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Re: (HAT) Henson Aluminum Tipped Bullet 338 Rum Test

Gentlemen reading is fundamental..
Nowhere in this article page 1 is there any mention of a bc test.
This was a informational article on the accuracy of a factory remington
parted together from internet bought parts... Using the hat bullets..

7mm sendero i will get the information for you as soon as i can on the name of the instrument he was using.

PS bryan you are spending way too much time on longrange hunting you should be at berger
getting those 338 berger bullets out the door. So we can test them against the hats on video with lotts of witness...........
A Bullet Smith...

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Unread 01-30-2010, 08:41 PM
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"But any day you want to come out to the range and prove your verbose claims bring it on!!!!!!!!... So we can test them against the hats on video with lotts of witnesses "... Bryan, and I, talked briefly last week about testing a new line of magazine compatible ZA hunt projectiles in both 30, and 338 caliber. Would you be interested in extending your invitation to me?

As a footnote; Bryan is anything but verbose.

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Unread 01-30-2010, 09:02 PM
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Re: (HAT) Henson Aluminum Tipped Bullet 338 Rum Test

Originally Posted by Michael Eichele View Post
Nobody makes this many waves about the 177 grain 30 cal GS bullet advertised at over .620 That seems like it is too good to be true right?
Some were made:
Originally Posted by Jon A View Post
I know it's not what you want to hear, but don't hold your breath. It should be a lot higher than the 173's, that's for sure, but then again that's not saying much. Comparing to the 210 Berger and SMK it's nose is about .08 longer which should be an improvement ~5% form factor but it still has a big open hollow point and the others have 19% more mass. It doesn't add up. There's simply no reason it would have a BC to match the 210's.
Originally Posted by Jon A View Post
Unfortunately, this is only more bad news for the 177. That means its nose (easily the biggest portion of form factor) is likely no better than the Berger, maybe even worse if it has a larger HP. And it's down 19% in mass. This puts it in the low-mid .5's as I don't see the boattail or any of the rest of it making up for that in a significant way. But like I said, that's not all that bad, it's still usable and a huge improvement over the 173. It's just not really any better than the 180 class Scirocco, Interbond, A-Max, etc, not to mention the 185 Berger.
More HERE.

The biggest difference is the matter of degree. A small or medium exaggeration is easier to get by with and more difficult for users using highly inaccurate measures to disprove than big, gigantic, fantasy-land exaggerations.
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