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(HAT) Henson Aluminum Tipped Bullet 338 Rum Test

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Unread 01-31-2010, 03:23 AM
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Re: (HAT) Henson Aluminum Tipped Bullet 338 Rum Test

Noel,
Your input in this thread has been very limited and reasonable unless I've missed some posts.

We'd all like all the beneficial information we can obtain. That's what keeps everyone reading the Forum.

Not sure what you've got in mind, or if it even matches what Mr. Henson has in mind with his "invitation", but if the parties are agreeable and willing, then let's continue in a cordial fashion, rather than the tit-for-tat one-upsmanship being bantered about in the cause of righteousness.

I'm all for it. A refreshing and welcome change of pace.
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    Re: (HAT) Henson Aluminum Tipped Bullet 338 Rum Test

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    Originally Posted by phorwath View Post
    I recall LV and Mr. Henson repeatedly stating they are not providing BCs. Same thing Richard said.
    LV did provide BCs. Repeatedly. That's what started all this. Even in this very thread.
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    Bryan - In response to your counter-interrogation of Mr. Henson I will say I fully believe it's possible for a gun that's shooting poor groups to provide a longer 'time in flight' derived BC than a rifle with a different barrel that shoots the bullets lights out. Take it to the extreme of bullets tumbling end over end and the "cause and effect" cannot be denied.
    If lack of stability was the only cause of poor groups, that would be true. But that's a very specific case (and not a very common one) that in no way supports the contention that had Bryan "taken the time to work up an accurate load" his results would have been any different.
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    But don't delude yourself into the belief you have some right to demand BC development from a small custom bullet manufacturer for each bullet manufactured.
    I don't recall him ever demanding that. But he and other here have demanded fantastic/incredible (or plainly false) claims not be made without supporting data.
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    Try to force another person to do something for your personal benefit against their inclination? Good luck. So good luck to all Forum members on a mission to force Mr. Henson to incur the costs of providing a BC for your benefit. Crow crow crow. Whine whine whine. I wouldn't blame him if he said up yours.
    I'm not sure why you sound so defensive. I really don't think the forum members want anything more than to not be fed BS that causes them to waste their money.

    In case you're wondering, I have spent hundreds of dollars on HAT bullets already. Not because I believed the BCs advertised, but because I thought they might be good bullets with a decent BC.

    Unfortunately, few members here have the knowledge, equipment and ability to test BC's that I do so they rely on manufacturer's claims more than I do and are more likely to spend a bunch of money thinking they're getting something they are not.

    That's why the fantastic claims bothered me. Certainly not for any "personal benefit" to me.

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    Re: (HAT) Henson Aluminum Tipped Bullet 338 Rum Test

    On a lighter note GREYGHOSTt that is one heck of a nice looking rig.
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    On a lighter note GREYGHOSTt that is one heck of a nice looking rig.
    +1 that is bad *****, maybe these two posts will change the tempo of this thread.


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    Re: (HAT) Henson Aluminum Tipped Bullet 338 Rum Test

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    This thread's turned into a sorry example and excuse of a 'righteous' effort to improve the quality of this Forum or business practices in general.

    Time for some of the members to swallow their pride and stop crowing like roosters.
    Paul... crowing roosters? The only thing I've seen that might resemble crowing roosters in this thread are the ones who have made these statements. Why dont you give them a good read and tell me what you think?

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    Lightvarmint... Crunching the numbers (using the most conservative BC of .900) and comparing it to known velocities for the 300 Sierra Match King out of several of the same model rifles:

    The 338 RUM with your bullets travels 235 fps faster and delivers 490 ft-lbs more energy at 1000 yards with 53.09" less drop. It really makes it a forgiving factory package when long range hunting under less than desirable conditions when shots can come faster than you would like. Remember that we know the BC is always higher than .900 so the down-range performance will be more impressive.... FWIW, I prefer to use the conservative BC values to minimize/eliminate any possible consternation from the unwashed masses.
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    Greyghost....PS bryan you are spending way too much time on longrange hunting you should be at berger getting those 338 berger bullets out the door. So we can test them against the hats on video with lotts of witness...........
    Paul, I think your words and tone were very unfortunate. This thread had almost run it's course and IMO you have only thrown fuel oil on to smoldering embers. You haven't brought anything new to the discussion and succeeded in taking it to a personal level. I dont think you read this thread very well because some of your statements are way off. Jon has already addressed some of them and to follow up... you say....

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    I recall LV and Mr. Henson repeatedly stating they are not providing BCs.
    In a way you're right, they aren't "proviidng" a BC, but they are "claiming" a BC which is what started this thread down its present road. Did you not read the opening post??? And have you not read the other threads? For LV and Mr Henson to say that they aren't providing or claiming BC's is double talk. It's pure BS. Why dont you read this statement by Bryan again and tell me he's wrong....

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    The reason James (LightVarmint) wants to address individuals via email is so that his bogus claims aren't subject to public scrutiny. For those who aren't familiar with this individual, he was on here last year boasting the same inflated claims for the same bullet. Last time he posted trajectory data for this bullet which implied a BC over 1.0. I see he's reduced the claim to .9 which is still not true for this bullet.
    Are LV and Mr Henson making claims or not? Are these claimns fanciful? Whether you call their claims BC or something else it boils down to the same thing. A certain level of performance based on the bullets ability to resist drag. Wouldn't you agree? And the FACTS are that LV DID CLAIM A BC. Go back and read it.

    Please show me one statement where anyone has demnded a BC. You wont find one because it doesn't exist. What you will find is a claimed BC and people asking for evidence of that claim as well as criticising it for being out to lunch.

    Is the folowing request "demanding" a BC?

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    MontanaRifleman....
    Interesting report James,

    Can you provide pics and some dimensions? OAL of bullet, length of nose and length of tail and required twist?

    Thanks,

    Mark
    Is there something wrong with that request or anything else I posted? I do not regret or apologize for anything I have said in this thread. If you think I have said anything unreasonable, please be specific and point it out and leave the crowing rhetoric behind.

    Now lets' be real. This is the LRH forum here and most of the members use long pointy bullets and the reason they use these bullets is beacause they resist drag better than other bullets. This ability to resist drag is measured in BC and high BC bullets SELL in the LR world. Why did you buy HATs in the first place? Was it because they had a pretty silver colored aluminum tip? Was it because you had some extra cash burning a hole in your pocket and wanted to pay 2-3 times more than other bullets with the same level of performance? Or was it because LV and/or Mr Henson gave you the impression that these bullets would give a much better LR performance than say a Berger or SMK, etc? This is a free country and if you and others just want to pay the $$$ for these bullets just to shoot them, then have at it. I've already said that. But there are a lot of folks reading these bogus claims and being mis-led. They are looking for the claimed .9 - 1.3 BC and that's why they are going to buy them. And when they get them, they will see that they dont perform any better than a Berger or SMK. I bought some of these bullets from you and the reason "I" bought them is becaused I believed the claims of a high BC. No big deal, and lesson learned.

    Paul, if you had something to say, I think you could have done a much better job of it. From what you did say I dont think you read thread very well.

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    Person goes looking for a fight, it's pretty easy to find. Try to force another person to do something for your personal benefit against their inclination? Good luck. So good luck to all Forum members on a mission to force Mr. Henson to incur the costs of providing a BC for your benefit. Crow crow crow. Whine whine whine. I wouldn't blame him if he said up yours.
    An inaccurate and very unfortunate and flamitory statement.

    -Mark

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    Re: (HAT) Henson Aluminum Tipped Bullet 338 Rum Test

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    GG,

    LV made a point early in this thread that you are controlling the neck ID to within .000002 (2 millionths). What type of equipent\measuring system are you using to accomplish this? Are you doing it in a temperature controlled environment? I know this is off the BC debate, but I'm curious.
    Here is a link to the instrument.
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    GG,
    VERY impressive piece of artillery you've got there! I'd sell a kidney for a rifle like that! "that brings a thought to mind..."
    Anyway, I've been having some computer problems lately so help me out. Is that wall really pink and the box of klenex purple? lol

    I'm just sayin'... Good shooting and good luck!

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