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Future H.A.T B.C. Test shoot

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Unread 02-07-2010, 01:19 PM
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Re: Future H.A.T B.C. Test shoot

I finally was able to get goggle earth to cooperate and spit out my range image. Here is a goggle view of the site from behind the firing point looking roughly due NORTH, with the target points shown as pins at 1,500, 1,800, 2,200, and 2,500 yards.



Note the hill to the left of direct line of sight to the 1,500 and 1,800 yard target points. We would have a spotter stationed on the backside of that hill, in complete defelade and safety to spot bullet impacts for us. The intermediate spotter point is roughly 1,000 yards closer to the far points than the firing point and provides a MUCH better opportunity to give feedback for adjustment calls. Before you ask, yes we already have2-way radios for use on this site that function properly from the spotter's vantage point.

Also notice the gravel road(s) that goes over to and then parallels the target route and the washout areas or dry streams that as of today are running freely with water from last nights rain.
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Unread 02-07-2010, 01:45 PM
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Re: Future H.A.T B.C. Test shoot

Impressive, nice job putting the site image together.
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Re: Future H.A.T B.C. Test shoot

Enfilade and defilade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I had some idea, but wasn't sure what 'defilade' meant...that's a big word for this simple man!
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Re: Future H.A.T B.C. Test shoot

LOL..ok

How about hidden behind the rocks and cannot be shot very easily, unless its a magic bullet that goes out 1,000 yards then drops straight down 12-14 feet to hit someone.

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Re: Future H.A.T B.C. Test shoot

I thought it might be appropriate to start talking a bit more about what the testing will look like and what we are trying to do. We will be shooting, or hope to shoot, 4 calibers of bullets. 30 cal, 338, 375, 50 cal. With each caliber projectile, we are hoping to have someone shoot a Standard Bearer projectile (Well-known brand with significant following); for example, on the 30 Cal, we would hope to have someone shoot a Berger 210 or 208 Hornady Amax. That will give us a known standard to compare everthing else that flies during the 30 cal tests.

WIth that in mind I wanted to list what we have commitments for and will be shooting so far in our tests (Assuming that teh shooters get adequately accurate loads and decide to bring them for testing) (I make this assumption because if i were one of our shooters I would NOT bring a projectile to the test if I could not get it to group decently at my own range). For everyone's information if my 338 LM Improved is completed in time I WILL be one of the shooters and I will have someone else run the testing, and the various firing lines as range safety officer. If not, then i will run the lines and the event.

The bullet lines that we hope to test are: Preditor, Lehigh, ZA, HAT, GC Custom, Hooker, and Wildcat. I know there are more, but my brain has shut down temproarily. In that same vein, I'm not positive that all of these manufacturers have bullets in all these claibers, so this list is VERY PRELIMINARY and WILL be edited as information becomes known.

30 Cal: - standard bearer 210 grain Berger VLD
ZA weights undertermined (hopefully medium and heavy)
HAT weights undertermined (hopefully medium and heavy)
Preditor weights undertermined (hopefully medium and heavy)

338 -standard bearer 300 grain Sierra or Lapua
ZA 7 caliber weight undertermined
HAT weights undertermined (hopefully medium and heavy)
Preditor weights undertermined (hopefully medium and heavy)
GS Custom 295gr & 232 grain
Hooker weights undertermined (hopefully medium and heavy)

375-standard bearer 350 grain Sierra
ZA weights undertermined (hopefully medium and heavy)
HAT weights undertermined (hopefully medium and heavy)
Preditor weights undertermined (hopefully medium and heavy)
GS Custom weights undetermined
Hooker weights undertermined (hopefully medium and heavy)

50 Cal - standard bearrer...Lapua N or Hornady AMAX
ZA weights undertermined (hopefully medium and heavy)
HAT weights undertermined (hopefully medium and heavy)
Preditor weights undertermined

Notwithstanding the bullets that we have and that are being tested, the testing will be structures like this. We will shoot by caliber, so that like bullets are flying in like conditions to the extent that we can make it happen. So all the 30 cals will be shot at the sequentially until they are finished getting zeros, then move to teh 900 yard line and shoot groups and drops.

Then we go with the 338s, and then the 375 (remember that my range will not permit a 50 cal to be fired there);

AT this point I would like to know how many bullets would be firing (as in types, not the number of rounds), so that we can accomodate them on our list. For example, we do not need 3 people shooting a standard bearer for 338....we only need one. There may be more than one person volunteering to shoot an indivudal bullets, but we need to see how many bullets we are going to have before we can definitievely say that will or will not happen. Anyone interested in shooting something for testing in the tests, please let me know by sending me a message or simply posting your interest here, as well as the bullet(s) that you intend to test. I will update and edit list as we receive input.

Dave Viers has volunteered to shoot 30 Cal and 375 cal. In 375, he is planning to shoot a 375 ZA, and a standard bearer sierra. I don't recall the 30 cal so I will let him supplement with a post and clarify what he is doing.

If my 338 L.M. Improved is finished in time, I will be shooting a 338 standard bearer 300 grain sierra or lapua, as well as the GC Custom 295, CS Custom 232, and a ZA 7 caliber.

We have approximately 5 or 7 I do not recall of Lutz Moeller's banded solid bullets and they will be loaded to his published specifications and shot during our initial 100 yard testing.

As my information increases, I will update and edit the lists.
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Unread 02-10-2010, 12:35 AM
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Re: Future H.A.T B.C. Test shoot

What is the DATE of the shoot??
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Re: Future H.A.T B.C. Test shoot

Jeff,

Thanks for the update and information. Maybe I am inattentive, but is there a date certian yet?

I plan on shooting a 338AM with the 265gr HATS. Would you be interested in testing the rocky mountain bullets from a 375 cheytac?

What chamberings are you wanting to shoot the standardized rounds from. I am just trying to figure out what else I can bring to shoot. Most all of my .30 caliber rifles are .308 Win. I could probably get some 208s running through one if it would be of any help.

No 7mm testing? My safe is loaded heavy in 7mms.
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