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View Poll Results: Favorite 6.5 Cartridge
264 Win Mag 70 11.74%
264 Rem Mag 4 0.67%
65. STW 4 0.67%
6.5-284 131 21.98%
6.5 WSM 25 4.19%
6.5 SAUM 20 3.36%
6.5 Rem 59 9.90%
6.5-47 Lapaua 50 8.39%
6.5-06 45 7.55%
Other 188 31.54%
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Old 01-20-2013, 02:40 PM
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Re: Favorite 6.5 Cartridge

Ya, I can see your point. I've suffered from mag box length envy with the 338 Win and the 416 Taylor.
When I started with the 338 it was the first year Ruger came out with it in the stainless .. My goal was the 300 gr Barnes Original. 049 jacket @ 2550 fps. The 2 problems I ran into was the throat and the mag box. At the time it was The way to get close to 375 performance on brown bear up close in a stainless control feed rifle. That didn't break the bank. .
Since then I developed my fav 338 Alaskan load. 275 gr KBC @ 2660 fps from a 24" barrel using IMR 4831 . From a 22" barrel Ruger it does 2640 fps. Makes for a pretty useful hammer up close but a fine load for deer out to 400 yards.
Since then ofcourse Ruger came out with the 375 Ruger which is perfect with a 270 gr bullet @2700 fps from a 20" barrel.

The 416 Taylor really is benifited from a magnum mag and a long throat so the 350 gr bullets can be seated into the neck and not below.
But in reality it does fine on brown bear when loaded to standard action length. A 350 gr X or TSX or the 350 gr Speer dumps them very well.
But, I digress. Sorry.
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Old 01-20-2013, 03:59 PM
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Re: Favorite 6.5 Cartridge

I did most of my hunting with an M77 in 7 RM for many years, the old tang safety model. It served me well and I took a lot of game with it. That said, there are some things I don't like about the action, the biggest probably being the angled front action screw. That is a problematic design. Ruger needs to abandon it.

I like the Howa/Vanguard and M70 actions for beefy strong action with beefy integral recoil lugs. Also like the simple 1 piece push feed H/V bolt. When it comes to a semi-custom rifle build, the H/V actions are a very good platform for that.
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Old 01-20-2013, 04:16 PM
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Re: Favorite 6.5 Cartridge

Well, looking at poll results so far, it looks like, other than "other", the 6.5 x 284 is hands down most popular which doesn't surprise me. Next comes the 264 WM followed by the .06 variation which also doesn't surprise me. Judging by comments, I'm guessing the Sweede and Creedmore are the most popular of the "other" category and are probably falling somewhere between the WM and .06.
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Old 01-20-2013, 11:32 PM
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Re: Favorite 6.5 Cartridge

No, no no. There are many things in the firearms world that are just perfect the way they are. . The M77mkII action is one of them.
There are plenty of outfits that make bolt actions. I don't want to change them and I certainly hope Ruger doesn't change the M77mkII. Execpt to sell the bottom metal and replaceable mag for the short actions.
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Re: Favorite 6.5 Cartridge

Tell me about handloading a 6.5 Dakota. What do you use for routine sizing? How long is the neck? What bushing do you use to size with? The answer will allow me to compare neck thickness. What are the qualities of the cases? How much is the water volume? What is your overall length?

I have 6.5 WSMs (2) a 6.5-284 and am building a 6.5-06 improved because I would like to have a longer neck. I am also considering a 6.5X68 blownout. I have 3 barrels worth of .264 Winchester experience.
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Old 01-22-2013, 10:04 PM
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Tell me about handloading a 6.5 Dakota. What do you use for routine sizing? How long is the neck? What bushing do you use to size with? The answer will allow me to compare neck thickness. What are the qualities of the cases? How much is the water volume? What is your overall length?

I have 6.5 WSMs (2) a 6.5-284 and am building a 6.5-06 improved because I would like to have a longer neck. I am also considering a 6.5X68 blownout. I have 3 barrels worth of .264 Winchester experience.
You'll probably have to ask lboom about the 6.5 Dakota. That was my original plan but decided to try the 6.5 WSM first and see how that goes then maybe step up.

My original plan for a 6.5 Dakota was off the 300, but if I do it, I'll probably go off the 7 which is slightly smaller than the 300. I have necked down some 300 brass and a bullet loaded case measures about .297 neck outside diameter. Neck length is about .285 same as the loaded 300 Dakota. This is about .025 shorter than printed spec. For the 300 I used a 294 bushing for the final step. I'm not a water volume kinda guy, but I will tell you the the 300 Dakota case is significantly larger than the WSM. It is a little closer the the RUM than the WSM. Overall length would depend on bullet shape and chamber throat which I don't have. For a 6.5 x 7 Dakota, based on real world expected length of case of 2.400 plus a recommended .968 bullet projection for the CE 130 max = 3.368 COAL. The 300 would be about .050 longer.

What powders are you using in your WSM's and have you tried RL17 or Hodgdon Super Performance?
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Old 01-23-2013, 12:54 PM
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I have tried both R-17 and Superperformance in both the 6.5 WSM and later the 6.5-284 Norma. I have tried 4000MR (which is better suited and slower than either of those), Winchester 780 Supreme, IMR 7828SC and long, Reloader 25 and 22, VV N-550, 560 and 570. (I ordered more N-570 this week), Ramshot Magnum and MagPro and Retumbo.

R-17 is fast for these two 6.5s. It is a powder of choice with 100 gr or 107 match bullets. It is sightly faster than the benchmark of IMR-4350. SuperPerformance is a little slower than IMR-4350 but close.

In the 6.5 WSM, Retumbo, Magnum and VV N-570 provide maximum velocities with hunting bullets. One of the shooters utilizing my reamer sticks with Ramshot Magnum. The other two of us use Retumbo, often with standard F210M primers. With 140 gr Bergers or 140gr MatchKings VhitaVuori N-570 will yield more velocity (60fps) but it is very coarse to weigh, each kernal is .06 grain and not any more accurate than Retumbo. My guess is that N-570 would be amazing in a larger case.
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