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Old 05-28-2012, 02:20 PM
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Factory VS Custom rifle gripe...

If a man/woman were out looking for a rifle for just about any discipline weather it be benchrest, tactical, or long range hunting why on earth would anyone even consider spending any more than 3000-3500 bucks on a factory rifle to do any of it especially when a custom rifle could be built cheaper, more accurate, better fit and finish, not to mention be exactly what you would want when it's done? A Dakota arms t-76 longbow costs about 5800 new, while you can buy a surgeon action, super high quality barrel of any length, contour combo you like with any rate of twist, install it in any stock you want with any trigger you wish and have all the machine work done to it that you can dream of and still be well under the $5,800.00 price tag of the longbow with a much higher quality rifle in the end. I know that the rifle I'm talking about here isnt exactly run of the mill but how in the world can they justify a price tag like that and why on earth would anyone entertain the idea? I know this is a tactical rifle based argument but it applys to most all of the high dollar rifles you find.
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Old 05-29-2012, 07:59 AM
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Re: Factory VS Custom rifle gripe...

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I know that the rifle I'm talking about here isnt exactly run of the mill but how in the world can they justify a price tag like that and why on earth would anyone entertain the idea?
Maybe they like the factory rifle as it is.
Maybe they don't know a gunsmith they trust.
Maybe they don't want the wait time of having a custom gun made.
Maybe they have a nostalgic reason to want a particular factory rifle that's hard to find.
Maybe they don't want to argue with a smith to get them to build what they want, not what the smith wants.

If a person buys a rifle, custom or not, and they're happy with it at the price they paid why should it bother anyone else? I've never understood why anyone would pay for engraving on a firearm. I wouldn't but I have no objection if others do.
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Old 05-29-2012, 09:09 AM
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Maybe they like the factory rifle as it is.
Maybe they don't know a gunsmith they trust.
Maybe they don't want the wait time of having a custom gun made.
Maybe they have a nostalgic reason to want a particular factory rifle that's hard to find.
Maybe they don't want to argue with a smith to get them to build what they want, not what the smith wants.

If a person buys a rifle, custom or not, and they're happy with it at the price they paid why should it bother anyone else? I've never understood why anyone would pay for engraving on a firearm. I wouldn't but I have no objection if others do.
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I will add one more to Louboyds great response.

Maybe they dont know that they can buy a custom rifle for less, that is of better Quality.

I recall when the Remington Sendero first came out it was very competitive with the accuracy
of the custom rifles, and the price was well below that of a custom. If anything the High end
factory rifles have improved the Quality of the custom barrels and in many cases the quality
of the gun smiths in order to justify there cost.

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Old 05-29-2012, 09:15 AM
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Re: Factory VS Custom rifle gripe...

Ok, let me try again, how can a company justify a 5800 dollar price tag when there isn't anywhere near that in parts material or machine work?
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Old 05-29-2012, 10:07 AM
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Ok, let me try again, how can a company justify a 5800 dollar price tag when there isn't anywhere near that in parts material or machine work?
basic economics...supply and demand...people will pay it, so why not charge it? Market value and actual cost are totally different.

I understand where you are coming from, hence building my own rifle, but that's how the market works.
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Old 05-29-2012, 07:27 PM
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Re: Factory VS Custom rifle gripe...

What makes you so sure that you know enough about guns to build a good one?
Because a checkbook is singin to ya?

Many 'custom' guns don't end up shooting better. People who insisted them together don't even reload, and never had an actual plan, much less risked greater resources to test and tweak and test -until building a proven recipe. They were just rolling the dice.

I've built & bought customs in the $6000 range(still do), and bought factory for way less.
And truly I can relate to a lot of what Lou listed.
If some gunbuilder out there has hammered out a guaranteed performing system(that's field practical), I'm open to paying for it lately.
When/if I need a 30br scoring gun? I'll cut a single check for turn-key and be done with the mess.

Hell, my last completed custom took 3yrs to finish!
It was a very annoying process..
Stockmaker says 2mos, turns into 7mos..
That's ok, barrel finisher lied too..
But back of the line with stock finisher, now costing 6 more months,, before he can lie to me..
Then off to get what they messed up fixed, and then get the metal coated..

I gotta give completing gunbuilders who must outsource credit. It has to be a very stressful job.
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Old 05-29-2012, 09:53 PM
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Re: Factory VS Custom rifle gripe...

I know enough to know exactly what I want and expect in a rifle and what it takes to make it come together the way it should, for example, my current build, a badger m-2008 action with a 308 win bolt face, chose it for the 60 degree cycle of the bolt for quicker cycle in tactical matches plus it's tough as nails, 28" 1:8" twist broughton 6mm barrel to be chambered in 6xc for 105-107 grain bullets any more twist would just add unneeded stress on the jackets and any less wouldn't stabalize them for the velocity I'll be pushing them to, I chose the 6xc over the 243 unlike most people due to the fact that I'm only punching holes in paper and won't benefit from the extra powder and throat erosion, It will be set up for no turn necks for ease of reloading plus it doesn't need to be that tight especially seeing as how it won't be a bench queen, it will be in all sorts of positions and exposed to dirt and grime so it will need a little wiggle room to be able to still operate without flaw. The stock will be a krg whiskey 3 chassis because I like the fit and finish and it's a no BS design that I've used on a 308 I owned and loved. If I had a lathe with a short enough headstock, spider, live pilot reamers and go / no go gauges I could do my own chambering work, it's not rocket science. I have a few years of experience in shooting sports, from age 7-26. All that wonderful stuff aside, when you compare a rifle like the one I'm building vs one of an equal quality and build that you can just order but pay 1500-2000 bucks more for what are you really paying the extra for is my question, I can understand a few hundred more or even up to $800 more due to overhead in all the parts and pieces it takes to build the rifles but the rifle I just described that I'm building is going to cost about 2900 bucks all total when finished and will almost certainly hang with any high doller factory built rifle of the same style and caliber in terms of functionality, accuracy, and dependability.
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