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Unread 01-25-2010, 11:22 PM
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Re: Is enough ever realy enough?

Great comments by all. Thank you! I always wondered why almost no-one ever built a L/R rifle on a Browning. I guess now I know.
Unfortunately, being a gift, I can not sell/trade the rifle. It was a great honor to recive such a toy from a friend, and I wouldnt want to dissapoint him. I suppose for now Ill scope it, and add ''bolt on'' bennifits(stock and trigger) as I can afford them.
My more immediate goal is saving enough to get an AR in a 308 for using in the hawthorn brush for close in black bear hunting. Ill keep the 300 wby and 270 wsm for the longer stuff and let the 338 A-Bolt go to the back of the cabnet.

As far as the 338 win caliber goes, I have another question;
would a 338 WIN be a smart caliber to go with when I have the $$ to start my first real L/R rifle? (obviously after what Ive just learned, NOT on a Browning action). Or should I just stick with a 300 of some kind(another wby maybe??) ''BUILT'' for accuracy this time by a gunsmith, not an over the counter Winchester just cause im a Winchester nut. Not that Id be opposed to using a Winchester action, but I mean a REAL purpose built accurate rifle.

I noticed 'BUFFALOBOB' didnt mention Winchester actions when he said buy an action now and collect the pieces as I can afford them.(good advise) Is there a reason? Or would it just be a sin to soak a Winchester action in 90 wt? haha (I did appreciate his comment tho, and am curious about the lack of Winchester actions in his comment)Does LAPUA have a bigger bolt face or something? and if Im building a 338 is it just not bennifitial enough to me to go with the smaller WIN case? Or 30 cal of some kind?
Thanks again for the comments, keep em' commin..........
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Re: Is enough ever realy enough?

Your original post mentioned 600 yards if that's is the LR you just mentioned in your last post then I think there are a number of good choices such as 6.5mm, 7mm, and 30 caliber...some would perform well to a 1000 yards. IMHO I wouldn't go with a 338wm but, If you wanted to have a 338 then I'd look into 338 RUM, 338 Lapua, 338 Edge or 338AX.
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Unread 01-26-2010, 01:47 PM
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Re: Is enough ever realy enough?

It's a rifle, a tool, use it. There is nothing wrong with the .338 WM. Do you re-load? If so, develop a load with your choice of bullet. Use the rifle inside the limits that it has. Enjoy the gift, I think you have a very fine factory rifle. It may wind up shooting better than your other rifles. Use a good quality bullet for the intended use and it will make everything you shoot very dead.

If you are just going to put it in the back of the cabinet, you might as well send it to me. It can still be yours, I'll just get the enjoyment out of it that you are not going to.

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Re: Is enough ever realy enough?

If you are going to build a custom rifle and do not have a suitable action in hand, then it is the consensus of opinion that it is cheaper and better to buy one of the "semicustom" actions rather than to buy a factory action like a Rem 700 and then pay the gunsmith to true it up to the tolerances of the semi custom. The semicustom action retains its market value better.

The 338 Lapua and the 30-378 Wby series have a bolt face that is larger than a magnum bolt face. Once again a smith can open up a magnum bolt face to the Lapua size, but it is an added cost.

I mentioned Surgeon as making a semi custom or perhaps a better term is semi competition action but their cheaper action is not available in a Lapua bolt face but Stiller has one and it can even be had in a 408CT bolt face. Might as well just go for the whole enchilada.
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Re: Is enough ever realy enough?

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Is there such thing as having too much gun.... maybe, if you want to shoot rock chucks with a 338edge, some would consider it overkill, still others go for it on a never ending search for ''the perfect tool''.
My question concerns factory rifles being shot with as much precision as can be attained per individual rifle without crossing into the ''custom L/R realm''.
Like many folks I live on a budget. As much as id like to break into the ''custom L/R realm'' its not feasable for me right now(But Ill keep deraming anyway).
I own 2 rifles that I load for and shoot to 600yds on paper pretty regularly. Ones a 270 wsm and the other is a 300 wby. Both are factory model 70 Winchesters. Both shoot well (by my standards) to the range im comfortable shooting to. My personal ability somewhat limmits my range while hunting to around 400 yds. No Im not bringing up ethics here. just my own ability to place my 1st shot confidently where it needs to go.
I own a Browning A-Bolt in 338 win mag(a gift from a good friend of my family) that id like to shoot accurately to 600yds give or take, but I cant seem to find anyone that thinks this is a good idea. Its always the same ol ''if your gonna build a 338 go with a RUM or EDGE'' etc.
The problemb is I HAVE AN A-BOLT, and I dont have deep enough pockets to go the other route. And Im not ''Building'' one, its already built.
Now Im not above putting a new stock on it or trigger in it, but Im not gonna ''Build'' it(keep the action and scrap the rest).
I know that out to 600yds or so(the range im going for here) my 300 wby is gonna keep up with it or maybe even surpass it to some extent for the purpose of whackin deer,elk,and blackbears, but the big advantage is bullett construction IMO. Do I need it for such game? No, not nessisarily, but ''if i can kill em with a 270wsm or 300 wby why not kill em ''DEADER'' with more authority with the 338?'' Ive shot a few 338's and dont mind the recoil, its well within the tollerable range for me.

Am I splitting hairs here, or wasting $ that I should be putting toward a future custom rig someday? Should I just scope it and see what I can get for accuracy and live with an ugly black plastic stocked, sponge triggered rifle? It just seems a waste of a what could be a fun new toy!
Any advice on this one will be apreciated, and I am on a budget remember, I can only do a little here and there. Thanks, winmag
The 338 win mag is a great 600 yard round !!!!!

The thing that really separates the factory guns from the customs is mostly the barrel. Most
factory barrels are poor quality compared to custom barrels, so if you want to keep the 338
win mag as is the only thing you need to do is re barrel it with a new custom barrel and true
the action and bed the stock.

Then if you want to buy a better stock,trigger or any other improvements you have a good
base to start with.

If your factory barrel is not very good none of the normal things will improve it much.

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Re: Is enough ever realy enough?

Thank you all again.
Chas1, I guess its kind of a toss up between a big 30 or a 338 of some kind for me. I love how flat a 7mag shoots and noone can argue the point of a 6.5 being accurate to great distances. Im just not much of a ''metric caliber'' fan.(maybe I should just call it a .264 haha) I can see I have ALOT to learn before I decide what L/R rig to go with for my needs.
Whwn that day comes, Ill probably pester ''BUFFALOBOB'' some more too about actions so i can get educated enough to make a wise choice in actions.
MontanaMtnMt, Ill take the advice of your first paragraph and use the tools I have as best I can, and yes, Ill work up some loads for it. As far as ''permanantly loaning it to you'' Sorry I cant do that.
Kiwi thank you for your input and pics.
I know I left out a couple people and Im sorry,my memory isnt that great. But I do appreciate ALL THE ADVISE I have recived from everyone.
When the time comes, maybe Ill have a group input and see what we all come up with for a good place to start. Do pics and such with the build progress etc.
Thanks again, and Ill keep reading if anyone has any more input.
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Re: Is enough ever realy enough?

It wouldn't have to be a permanent deal. I'd give it back after a while, after all it is yours. I'd just be giving it the love it deserves.

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