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End of the Line for Lead Bullets???

 
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Old 12-24-2013, 04:26 PM
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Re: End of the Line for Lead Bullets???

This is a smart way to try to get rid of lead bullets. They want to make the bullet prices go higher because bullet companies will have to use more expensive materials like copper. They are not worried about the safety of the citizens they are worried about their own safety.




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Old 12-24-2013, 04:53 PM
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Re: End of the Line for Lead Bullets???

I don't think we'll see lead core or plain lead bullets go away. If the demand is there, the lead will be imported from else where. Prices, no doubt, will go up. Keep in mind that bullets and shot aren't the only places where lead is used. If the demand and price go high enough someone may come along and open a "high tech" smelting plant that satisfies EPA, that is, after this bunch is kicked out of office. We're seeing too many industries effected by the whimms of politicians, the oil and natural gas industry, the use of coal and the mining of such, petrolum refining, not to mention the firearms industry, and now lead. A change in policy cannot come soon enough! With the ACA imploding, wage & job stagnating, prices of the necessities of life rising and the poll number falling, hopefully, the public is waking up and realizing that we can't afford these policys any longer. Some have gone so far as to predict the end of liberalism,,,,,,,, we can only hope for as much. We'd be out of this mess if more registered republicans had come out to vote in the last election. One can only hope that more have their bellies full of this BS thats being forced on us now.
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Old 12-24-2013, 07:31 PM
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Re: End of the Line for Lead Bullets???

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I don't think lead bullets are going anywhere soon but I do believe that there is an underhanded/back door movement on the part of our @*~^~ up government to use the EPA to regulate guns and ammunition out of existence. They can't get the democratic process to do it s they go around it. Today, the suppliers have alternate approaches, but they are very likely to be cut off in the future. My company is being forced to spend millions of $$$ to rework our electronic components that contain minute amounts of EPA banned substances(lead included), and our government doesn't give a crap. We have to pass the cost on to the customer. 10 years ago all the pundits in our industry gave the all the reasons why this won't happen and the various alternatives just like the shooting associations and manufacturers are doing to us today. Human nature is to latch onto hope. Don't ever believe this BS. I used to load 5000+ shot shells a year. Stopped five years ago. Check the price(and quality) of 25# of lead shot. Also bought 22 ammo for 50 years, through a couple of wars without even giving a thought to supply or cost. We won't have an availability issue, we will be priced, regulated, and taxed out of our sport. Hoarding might help if you are over 60 years old, but it's a dead end. Unless the 25+ million shooters in this country start making their voices heard. Right now, less than 20% do. Sorry for the rant.
Thats me, well, not a hoarder, just an anticipater. I keep components enough on hand for a couple years of use at all times.

I think I have about a half ton of lead bars for hand cast bullets right now and a never ending supply of wheel weights to make more.

Like the smelter deal, welders that use oxy-acetylene had an issue when the major producer of acetylene gas blew up. It went up in price, you used alternative sources (LNG or Propane for cutting) but it's still available, just costs more.
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:04 AM
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Re: End of the Line for Lead Bullets???

Lead bullets will be banned here in CA starting in 2019...all in the name of saving the Condors...
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:48 AM
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Re: End of the Line for Lead Bullets???

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I don't think lead bullets are going anywhere soon but I do believe that there is an underhanded/back door movement on the part of our @*~^~ up government to use the EPA to regulate guns and ammunition out of existence. They can't get the democratic process to do it s they go around it. Today, the suppliers have alternate approaches, but they are very likely to be cut off in the future. My company is being forced to spend millions of $$$ to rework our electronic components that contain minute amounts of EPA banned substances(lead included), and our government doesn't give a crap. We have to pass the cost on to the customer. 10 years ago all the pundits in our industry gave the all the reasons why this won't happen and the various alternatives just like the shooting associations and manufacturers are doing to us today. Human nature is to latch onto hope. Don't ever believe this BS. I used to load 5000+ shot shells a year. Stopped five years ago. Check the price(and quality) of 25# of lead shot. Also bought 22 ammo for 50 years, through a couple of wars without even giving a thought to supply or cost. We won't have an availability issue, we will be priced, regulated, and taxed out of our sport. Hoarding might help if you are over 60 years old, but it's a dead end. Unless the 25+ million shooters in this country start making their voices heard. Right now, less than 20% do. Sorry for the rant.
+1 Good post! We have to start speaking up. we are the sleeping giant if only we would get involved.

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Old 12-26-2013, 12:21 PM
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Re: End of the Line for Lead Bullets???

...Between the lead (cored bullets) and the plastic (plastic saboted pills) for front stuffers, soon we will be shooting spit balls..... Obama will like that.

I can see the plastic saboted pill issue. That plastic wrap gets blown out the muzzle and lays in the field for eternity.

I can't quite figure out why sabot manufacturers don't use a bio-degradeable plastic, but then, I'm not an engineer.

I can also see lead shot as an issue with steel being the logical alternative. With a shotgun, not every pellet impacts the quarry, some pellets miss and fall to earth.

I know we harvested a couple ton of sent pills and shot at our club a couple years ago. They actually have machines that you run the soil through and they pull out the lead...amazing.

A nice side business I suspect.
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