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Old 08-27-2010, 11:50 PM
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Elk and deer and a humble .308

I'm looking for some general advice from some of the more seasoned long range elk hunters.

I'm using a 175 gr berger hunting vld bullet this year in my rem vls .308 rifle. I have had great success shooting a 168 gr nosler custom comp bullet at deer in excess of 500 yards so I feel confident that the new bullet will do fine if I stretch the distance to 600 or 700ish but I have never shot an elk, with any bullet. I'm wondering (assume I have the accuracy to place the shot where I want) at what distance will my potential for rapidly killing an elk start to dwindle. I'm wording this question with a lot of grey terms to encourage discussion (including choice of shot placement) but really I am looking for someone with experience to tell me why I might want to hold shots inside of a certain distance (based on the tenacity of elk and the ballistic limitations of the .308 win with a berger bullet.)
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Re: Elk and deer and a humble .308

I would say that you want to limit your impact velocities to 1800fps and above. Also my personal preference is to get maximum penetration on elk. So a bullet that gives consistent deformation with retained weight enough to carry through.

How is that for answering a general ? with a general answer?

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Old 08-28-2010, 08:56 AM
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Re: Elk and deer and a humble .308

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I would say that you want to limit your impact velocities to 1800fps and above. Also my personal preference is to get maximum penetration on elk. So a bullet that gives consistent deformation with retained weight enough to carry through.

How is that for answering a general ? with a general answer?

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Almost any well placed round at a nominal distance will kill an Elk. But how fast is the question
and a general rule for an Elk is any distance that a given bullet will produce at least =
1500 ft/lbs of energy, have an impact velocity that will allow the bullet to function the way
it was designed and a well placed shot (In the Vitals) should give good results.

Of course more is better and these are considered to be the minimum for consistant results.

The type of bullet and impact area will have an impact on this so all of these things have to
be placed in the equation.

Look at the ballistics and bullet performance and determine a max distance for the game to
be taken and reduce it by about 100 yards to start with just to be safe.There are a lot of factors to be considered before a shot is made and the results are in.

The Main difference in performance on game between a 308 and a 300 mag is the distance
it can produce the same results.

So ultimately it becomes your choice of how far you wan't to push the ability of a given cartrige.

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Re: Elk and deer and a humble .308

Thanks guys.

Rocky that (1800 fps) puts me out at 535 yards. That's a fair poke and about what I was expecting (hoping for) as a reasonable distance.

J E based on your guideline of 1500 ft/lbs of energy my chart puts that at 425 yards.

I would love to hear from others and am hoping that a representative from Berger responds to an email I sent by responding here but based on what we have so far I am loosely concocting a plan to limit my first shot on an elk to about 400/450 yards (or less) thereby giving me about a 100 yard "safety zone " for any possible follow up shots out to around 500/550 and still expect proper expansion.

Any other thoughts?
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Re: Elk and deer and a humble .308

Just got return email from Mr. Berger and he confirmed that a velocity of 1800 f/sec is necessary for reliable terminal performance from the bullet. He agreed that keeping the shots inside about 500 yards (based on atmospheric conditions) would help ensure that the bullet was doing its part.

I think I see my plan of action taking shape.
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Re: Elk and deer and a humble .308

I agree with RockyMtnMt, and J E CUSTOMS.
Although both answers differ somewhat, thats exactly what I would consider a ''max range ballpark'' on an elk with a 308win.

Im not about to tell anyone they need a bigger gun, cause Id hunt elk with a 22lr if it was legal, and that was the only rifle I had. Id just limmit my shots to headshots only at about 10paces.
There is alot of ''grey'' in the L/R shooting world especially concerning targets with an ability to soak up lead at times, with cartriges on the ''lighter side'' of the scale. IMO 500yds may be pushing it, but its doable. Id rather get closer if I was using a 308, but you on the other hand, may want to push it further. In the end its all up to the shooter. When conditions are right, theyre right, let er rip. But I can tell you from personal experience that even at alot closer range than that, and with a bigger cartrige, if you even slightly botch the shot you feel lower than dirt, and it can take days to find your critter. Go with your gut, and youll do well, be it 400 or 600yards, whatever. When its right its right, and when it isnt, get closer.
Listen to your gut and youll be satisified, and have an elk in the freezer.
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Re: Elk and deer and a humble .308

Where the heck did Mike go I never shot an Elk with my 308. I dont know some times I buy in the the whole foot pounds thing and some times I dont. Bottom line is I guess it can hurt to have alot but a good shot is a good shot.

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