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Old 09-15-2013, 08:51 PM
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Re: dont know what to think.

JMO but this is another thread that keeps me away from 6mm. Smallest I've got so far is a 6.5-284 and I will be using it this November in SC and KY for the 1st time. No one has to convince me the 6mm bullets kill. I know they do. They just don't do it in the fashion I prefer. The only time I've ever seen anything drop with a 6mm bullet is on those LRH videos from BOTW and the youtube video where John Burns takes some lady hunting and she dumps a cow elk at 600 or so yards with a 243.

My preference is simple. If I expect the animal to travel after I shoot it, I'm using archery. I expect it to drop and not travel at all or very little if I have a firearm. Of course it doesn't always turn out like I hope. My Colorado bear I just killed on the 4th made it about 4-5 feet after I dumped him.
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Old 09-16-2013, 06:21 AM
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your buddys 22250 has about the same power or less then a 22 hornet at a 100 yards and not to many would grab a 22 hornet to hunt antelope. Same goes for your 250ai. I hunt with a 257 roberts which is about the same and woudnt even consider a shot past 400 and would think hard on a shot past 300. Youve about got yourself a 2535 at a 100 yards there. Guys think there out with a powerful round and dont take into account how much velocity is shed when your out at 500 plus yards. Even the magnums power levels are getting a bit lame at 600 yards. Dont want to stir you up but in my opinion shooting something like an antelope at 530 yards with a 22250 is stunt hunting. Why would you even do it when theres better rounds for the job. taking varmit gun out for long range deer shooting is about like taking a 257 wby on a 500 yard cape buffalo hunt. Just because you get away with it doesnt mean its enough gun to insure humane kills a 100 percent of the time.

A good many hunters dont believe the 22250 isnt adequate for big game at any range. Personaly ive seen it used and in the hands of a good shot and loaded with the right bullet i think its a legitimate 250 maybe 300 yard deer rifle but absolutely no more. that little bullet just loses to much steam after that. I shoot alot of deer and have seen deer suffer and dont like it. I think i owe it to the animal im shoting to use a gun powerful enough to ensure a humane kill. I have no need to prove to anyone that i can kill something with the smallest gun in the safe. Id bet someone here has killed a deer at 200 yards with a 22lr too. Does that make it right? Im going to bow out of this one now as its going to lean toward ethics and thats a personal thing. I dont care if you want to kill a deer with your slingshot. Just dont ask me to pat you on the back.
Ill add one last thing before i go. I did some looking at the ballistic charts and came up with this.
22250 shooting a 60 grain bullet at 3400
sighted in at 250 yards
drop at 500 35inch velocity 1820, energy 441 ftlbs
drop at 600 65inches velocity 1579, energy 332 ftlbs
Your basicaly shooting deer with 38 special levels of power hardly deer medicine

Now for the 250ai
I used a 100 at 3000 which is about right give or take a 100 fps
at 500 yards velocity is 1807 energy 725 drop 38 inches
at 600 velocity is 1615 energy 579 drop 72 inches.
so your basicaly looking at 50 yard 357 mag ballistics at 50 yards.
I sure dont consider that elk medicine
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Really

I've piled up so many deer with a 250 AI it's not even funny, plenty of elk as well I find it absolutely awesome for deer, taken plenty in the 400 yard range. A few years ago my old man to a nice mule deer buck at over 400 yards, to the top of the heart of and he ran about 50 yards and ran out of juice and tipped over dead, next day he dropped a cow elk, business as usual!
My buddy and I have no problem killing antelope and whitetail out past 500 yards with our 22-250's and 60 gr Bergers, one round behind the shoulder blowing a couple inch hole through them they run a little ways till they run out of go juice then fall over dead.
One antelope opener my buddy smokes a goat at 530 with his 22-250 and she made a short sprint then fell over, a few hours later I smoked a goat with a 338 RUM with 300 gr Bergers at 300 yards, she ran a little ways then realized she was dead.

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Old 09-16-2013, 08:03 AM
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ive loaded and hunted with the 2506 for over 30 years. Ive shot many differnt bullets in it through the years. Mostly 100 grain bts, sierra prohunters and boat tails, speer 100s and hornady interlock 100s. Ive also shot a good many 117 sierras, 115 bts 115 and 120 partitions and 12o speers. Probably more 100 sierra and bts then anything else. I fooled one year with barnes tsx and wasnt impressed. They shot real well but didnt do much damage to deer and i spent some long hours tracking. Ive got no experiences with the bonded bullets on game as the two 2506s ive had for the past few years dont shoot them well. Granted i havent tried all the bonded bullets but ive tried noslers, hornadys and remingtons. I dont think its as much of a bullet problem as it is like fiftydriver hinted toward that your just asking alot of a small caliber out at 500 plus yards. Pretty small bullet when its running out of steam. the 7mag and 300s with there larger heavier bullets just get it done better way out there.
My experience with the 25-06 on deer size game mirrors what others have said, but I think if you're having trouble with 100gr pills anchoring game on the spot, then a switch to a heavier pill like the 115gr Partition would be a positive move. Although I have had few bang/flops with this particular bullet, no deer hit right has gone more than 20-30yrds before falling dead, most have jumped, hunched up and fallen after a few steps with this bullet, lungs are turned to jelly and most bullets are found under the hide on the off side, perfectly mushroomed and retaining on average 65% of the original weight.
Curiously, most shots with this bullet, even closer ranges, do not exit. The Accubond is a different animal, I have only recovered 1 from the 25-06 and 1 from the 338WinMag in 225gr, both were from frontal shots on a Fallow and Sambar, respectively. Broadside hits always exit, no matter the caliber used with Accubonds, in my experience.

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Old 09-16-2013, 12:27 PM
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Re: dont know what to think.

"your buddys 22250 has about the same power or less then a 22 hornet at a 100 yards and not to many would grab a 22 hornet to hunt antelope."

Falsamundo!!!
22 hORNET:= Muzzle Velocity: 3100 fps....Muzzle Energy: 747 ft. lbs.

22-250:=Muzzle Velocity: 3800 fps....Muzzle Energy: 1603 ft. lbs.

JUST A tad OF DIFFERENCE


I still dont want a 22-250 for a deer rifle...but there's quite a gap between a Hornet and a 22-250
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Old 09-16-2013, 12:42 PM
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Re: dont know what to think.

I think he meant at 100 yards the 22 hornet has the same energy as the 22-250 at 500 or so yards.....
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Old 09-16-2013, 09:02 PM
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I think he meant at 100 yards the 22 hornet has the same energy as the 22-250 at 500 or so yards.....
Misleading at the best. A 38 Special at 12 feet has more killing power than a 378-338 at 900 YARDS too..see what I mean?
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Old 09-16-2013, 09:06 PM
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[QUOTE=lloydsmale;852158Dont want to stir you up but in my opinion shooting something like an antelope at 530 yards with a 22250 is stunt hunting. Why would you even do it when theres better rounds for the job. taking varmit gun out for long range deer shooting is about like taking a 257 wby on a 500 yard cape buffalo hunt. Just because you get away with it doesnt mean its enough gun to insure humane kills a 100 percent of the time.[/QUOTE]

I'm not interested in a big ******* contest, don't think you are either but I will firmly argue that while I push it I'm not on the ragged edge of humane or loosing an animal by any means.

I'll just use the antelope at 530 as one of many examples, my buddies 22-250 shoots a 60gr Berger at 3500 fps and is sighted in at 100 yards. He dialed 7.3 MOA up and 1.75 left windage, when she cleared the bullet hit her at 2106 fps with 591 ft lbs of energy then dusted of the hill behind her. When we opened her up with had a pin hole entrance which is perfect, the on side of the first lung you could see the bullet just starting to open which is perfect then from there it put probably about a baseball size hole through the rest of the vitals with bruising radiating a little farther. The exit was about a golf ball size hole blown out. She did a short sprint then fell dead. That's perty much what you get every time unless you punch them in the shoulder and then it opens more and you'll pour the vitals out of them but the bullet won't exit the off side, they make it a few steps.
Damage like that kill 100% of the time, every time!! The 243 hands the 22-250 it's behind, shooting at those ranges is easily in done!!

The 250 AI shoots was shooting a 117 or 120 gr hollow point, can't remember what it is but it's mean when it opens, right around 3000fps with R17. I don't know the numbers for it because that was pre dialing days but we used that rifle for so many years for deer out to about 450 their screwed. Buck took the bullet at 430 yards took out his heart, he bounded about 30 yards maybe then fell over backwards dead, the blood trail was carnage, he was an average 4 point mule deer buck. The elk got busted in the timber at maybe 100 yards, first cow took a 130 gr 270 bullet through the chest and flopped over after about 50 yards then the other cow took a bullet from the 250 AI low through the neck, blew her wind pipe and all the veins in her neck all over the ground, she made it a couple steps maybe and she was out of juice.
I've dropped several bulls with it shooting behind the shoulder or high in the neck out to the 300 yards range no problemo, I won't say it's my favorite elk gun but it does stand in well enough, my 270 WSM has served me very well to 900 yard range on bull elk and piles them up nicely!!

I grew up in major elk and mule deer country and shots are very rarely close, nobody used to shoot magnums for anything, a 30-06 used to be considered the big elk gun. Now I use much larger rounds but ONLY because I want the advantage at longer ranges.
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