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Old 09-13-2013, 03:29 PM
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Re: dont know what to think.

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well guys ill argue a bit. The sierra im using is about as fragile as a ballistic tip. So i doubt id gain a thing there plus the gun shoots the 100 sierra better then the 100 bt. As to bonded bulllets and barnes bullets ill say this. I would guess my results with a bonded bullet of any kind would be worse as even less damage would be done. You wouldnt pay me to use a tsx in a 6mm at 400 plus yards. You might as well be shooting a solid. We had miserable luck with them at long range out of the 2506 and 257wby and i have no doubt that the 6 would be the same or worse. The barnes bulley or bonded bullets might have some merit at 200 yards on something the size of elk but in that case id have a bigger stick.

Comes down to about what my hunting partner said. I told him last year that i was done shooting at over 350 with the 2506 because we got tired of chasing deer in the swamp and the 240 is nothing but a glorified 2506.

I still like this gun and will no doubt kill a slug of deer with it in the next few years but it will just be treated like i would a 2506, 3006 270, 280 ect. Ive got to many better guns for the fields that give us those real long shots. to me the 400 plus yard guns begin at the 257wby and 264mag and go up from there. Tonight its getting replaced by my 300 ultra. I havent shot anything with it yet. Betcha i dont have the same problem with that one.
Sounds like you have it figured out. I guess I am a little confused at the purpose of the thread though...what are you looking for? You have been given a bunch of different options for other bullets that might work better, but you don't want to try them? Sounds to me like it is a bullet failure, not a problem with the caliber. The RUM should do some pretty good damage I would guess though, if you don't want to make any other changes.
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Old 09-13-2013, 07:30 PM
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Re: dont know what to think.

My personal opinion is that there is not much controversy here. My experience (admittedly less than many here) is that deer rarely drop in their tracks unless you are shootin' the big stuff or are neck/spine shooting.

The OP shot 5 deer and had the same experience 5 times. It is possible, but I doubt switching bullets will dramatically change that especially if several had no exit. At 450 that 100gr pill (assuming MV of 3300) is carrying just about 1000ft/lbs of energy. With a 6mm starting diameter, it will get them dead but is unlikely to consistently drop them in their tracks.

I hammered a medium sized whitetail last year at 40yds with a 7-08 (139 IL). At 40 yds, placement wasn't a concern - it was pretty much like walking up and pointing to the spot I wanted to hit. On the hit, the deer jumped straight up in the air on all fours. It then proceeded to run about 65 yards at full tilt before piling up. The shot left a substantial exit, and when I gutted him he was a mess inside.
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Old 09-13-2013, 10:44 PM
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Re: don't know what to think.

Earlier I suggested using the Accubond or the Ballistic tip. I had a good reason for doing so.

With your problem, It tells me that It is a bullet failure because the right bullet for the game the animal, and the distance
was not ideal.

"There Is No Golden Bullet" that will do everything perfect under all conditions and distance.

I shoot many different bullets in a wide range of calibers because what works well in one doesn't
in another and in many cases performance in all categories dictates a certain bullet that exhibits
a tendency to do everything well at the distance I intend to use it.

In Some rifles I have had to go with two different bullets because of there performance at different
distance. Example; I have a 7STW with a very long barrel that can push a 140 grain bullet to 3700
ft/sec with great accuracy . The problem is that under 400 yards I have to use bonded bullets or the old tried and true
partition to keep them from cutting a dear in half. But at distance over 7 or 800 yards they just punch a hole through
the deer and they run off so I use the ballistic tip and they perform very well because the velocity is down to there best performance level.

In smaller calibers bullet selection is very important and requires experimenting.

The bigger calibers are not as finicky and shot placement is more important.

I recommend that you try every brand, type and weight that should perform on the game at the
distance you intend to use them and then you will find out what a good round the 2506 is.

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Old 09-14-2013, 08:15 AM
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Re: dont know what to think.

my purpose in this post wasnt to ask what bullet i should use. Ive shot enough whitetail in my life with about a 100 different bullets to have a fair grasp on what bullet works and what doesnt. The post was more directed toward my laspe in not using enough gun for the range i was shooting. I kind of got sucked in like a rookie with the weatherby mag thing. When in all reality its no more then a 2506 and In my book the 2506 is marginal at over 400 yards. Your experiences may differ but ive shot more then a few deer to come to that conclusion. Ive shot well over 500 deer in my life and know too that theres never a guarantee that they die drt even with a 300 ultra. But ive also shot enough to know that bigger guns do it a hell of alot more often then smaller guns do with the same bullet placement. I guess this post was more of a sharing of an experience then a shoot out for help. Im sorry if it got some stirred up. Funny thing is i took the 300 ultra out last night and it did even worse. It must have scared all the deer out of the area as i didnt even see a tail
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Old 09-14-2013, 08:59 AM
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Re: dont know what to think.

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my purpose in this post wasnt to ask what bullet i should use. Ive shot enough whitetail in my life with about a 100 different bullets to have a fair grasp on what bullet works and what doesnt. The post was more directed toward my laspe in not using enough gun for the range i was shooting. I kind of got sucked in like a rookie with the weatherby mag thing. When in all reality its no more then a 2506 and In my book the 2506 is marginal at over 400 yards. Your experiences may differ but ive shot more then a few deer to come to that conclusion. Ive shot well over 500 deer in my life and know too that theres never a guarantee that they die drt even with a 300 ultra. But ive also shot enough to know that bigger guns do it a hell of alot more often then smaller guns do with the same bullet placement. I guess this post was more of a sharing of an experience then a shoot out for help. Im sorry if it got some stirred up. Funny thing is i took the 300 ultra out last night and it did even worse. It must have scared all the deer out of the area as i didnt even see a tail
If the 25-06 and 257 wby wont work you need to go to a 50 cal. report back on how that worked out and what bullet you used.
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Old 09-14-2013, 10:17 AM
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Re: dont know what to think.

Its NOT the song.....its the SINGER! If your talking white tails here...the 257 W'by can slay them all....IF...IF they are hit "right".

Try some target work for awhile
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Old 09-14-2013, 12:34 PM
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Re: dont know what to think.

wasnt talking the 257. I was talking about the 240. The 257 has enough more snort that it seems to get the job done better. I have to wonder if the sarcastic few here have ever shot a deer out past 400 yards and if so more then one or two. I spend at least 2 months a year shooting at least one or two a night and sometimes as many as 5. Close shots are 300 yards and many out to 500 plus and ive been doing this for 6 years now. If youve actually killed deer at long range with the 240 then my ears are open to your opinions. As to practice i probably send more lead down range in a month then some here do in a year and up till about 12 years ago i shot high power comp. Maybe a few of you should give the target work a break and actually kill something. Sure didnt start this post to instigate a ******* match. Did it to pass on an experience that might help someone else make a informed opinion on caliber selection for long range DEER hunting. I didnt say the 240 wouldnt kill a deer. All those deer i shot with it are in the freezer. What i said is i found it a bit lacking in power out past 400 yards and am more the willing to listen to someone with REAL life experience thats contrary to mine. Ill have to add that id doubt youd find two many guys that really have that will recomend a 24 or 25 cal barnes bullet for deer out past 500 yards. That would be about your worse choise other thena a solid. There isnt much speed left to even a 257 out that far to insure expansion. The barnes bullets are great for letting a guy with a smaller caliber gun hunt larger species of game at moderate range. But there not great at making small bore guns into 500 yard plus big game rifles. Even some cup and core bullets have expansion problems out that far.
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