I am thinking about trying the Cutting Edge 252's in my 338 Lapua. I see on the D59 the STB is moved up slightly to accomodate use of a magazine. I would like to use those. However the D64 has the STB further back and will require single shotting, which I am ok with also if need be. My first choice is the D59 as long as it doesnt use up a bunch of my case capacity. Can anyone tell me the overall length of the D59 or D64? then I can do the math from there and decide what I want to do.
" Real elk guns start with the number 3 or bigger and blow two holes, one in and one out." - My Dad
Hopefully long time ranger comes across this post. I know he is switching to these bullets in his rifles. If i remember right he used one of those two this fall so he should be able to tell you. I will be trying there 6.5 130's this spring at 3550 fps and will see if there 140's that aren't out yet will stabilize with a 1-8 twist. I also thought that I read one of the bullets is seated .120 deeper then the other. Not sure what that will equal in powder gain or loss in the Lapua.
Give them a call or an e-mail. I e-mailed a comment to them a few months ago and was very surprised to see it promptly responded to the next morning.
I don't have the D59s or D64s. I do have some D65s and they measure 1.810". I also have some 225 grain D62s, which measure 1.635.
I shot the 225s some this past season hunting. I am running them at about 3500 out of my 338Khan. They shoot very well and with the BC and higher velocity I am getting out to 1000 with a full 5 moa less dial-up compared to the 300 grain bergers. 50" less drop at 1000 is enough to get my attention.
I shot two critters with them, a whitetail doe at around 300 yards and a whitetail buck at about 450. Both were good hits tight behind the shoulder. The doe ran about 150 yards, the buck made it about 50. Wound channels were impressive and overall I cannot complain. However, I have been used to shooting 250 or 300 SMKs or 300 Bergers for the last several years. Both of those shots would have rolled the deer up right on the spot rather than the short run they both made. I think is fairly typical of the solid type bullets as I have had similar experience with Barnes in the past. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the terminal performance of the CE bullets, just don't expect them to deliver the same energy to the critters as the more fragile bullets like the SMKs or Berger.
I just put a mic on a D64 and it was 1.778". RDM is right about the effect on game. These bullets will not blow up and give you a softball size+ hole on the back side. They may run a little ways pouring blood out both sides but the insides will be mush. You will not get as much meat damage or ruin the hides with huge exit wounds.
If you are down in Thermopolis sometime let me know and you can stop by and see the ones I have. I have some 225 grain and the D64, D65 252 grain. Back in the summer I was putting three shot groups through an elk sillouette at 1600 yards with these bullets. I have shot the 300 SMK's since I was testing them before they were released back in the 90's. These bullets are as accurate with similar bc.s however with much less recoil and flatter trajectory. The velocity difference with the 225 grain bullet overcomes the higher bc of the 300 smk to virtually equalize a 10 mph wind to 1200 yards and I don't hunt further than that. I shoot the 225 CE at 3510 fps and the 300 smk at 3060 fps out of my 338-378 wby. Run that on JBM and you see why I changed to the 225. My rifles only weigh around 10 pounds scoped and the 300's were rocking me pretty good. The 225's I do not notice. The 252's have about the same bc as the 300 smk but faster and less recoil.
Also I have some 30 caliber CE bullets here. Yesterday I was shooting the 180 grain c21 .6 bc or so bullet over 3500 fps out of my 28" 300 RUM. Run that on JBM and you see why I shoot it instead of the 210 berger now. My accuracy loads with the 210 berger and 208 amax were mostly in the high 3100's fps. At the ranges I hunt the 180 wins. If I were shooting targets at a mile I would shoot the 210 berger. I am testing actual bc's with 1000 yard drops over the next week with several bullets out of my 300 RUM's and the Mcmillan EOL Outdoorsman rifle. I am weather dependent right now getting out to my long range shooting spot but by spring should have some actual bc's on several bullets.
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