Originally Posted by Brewer
Dear Mudrunner. I have to take up exception here. Your personal experience (and your friends) does not prove any urban legend to be true. I just spoke with a Remington tech support on the phone named Zack (800)-243-9700) to confirm that I was not blowing smoke. For the record, Zack said that when you buy a Sendaro as opposed to an SPS you get the following: the same trigger, the same action, the same processes that cut the rifling's and chamber. What you get that is different is that the barrel weighs more, it has been polished, has been fluted, and there is an extra check to make sure there are no tooling marks on the rifle. You also get a nicer stock.
Now, having said that, you have a point on the barrel mostly because of the added weight, and, it gives you some stiffness. I think we all believe universally that these are accuracy producing features. In my opinion, at best, they may add 100-200 yards to the accuracy of your rifle. That doesn't turn a 500 yard gun into a 1000 yard gun which is what the original poster stated. Zack said that Remington makes no greater accuracy claims with either rifle.
My point was not to say that its not a more accurate rifle (albeit, splitting hairs) My point was that if you want to spend another $800, I feel it would be better spent buying a barrel and a good gunsmith yielding a 1500 yard capable rifle as opposed to a 700 yard rifle. I am in no way saying that the SPS and sendaro are the same and that one is not worth more than the other. My claim was regarding an accuracy vs cost comparison. I did not mention this, and I appoligize for that my friend. I should be more complete in my writing in the future.
I hope you take me as a friend, I don't mean to sound aggressive. we all have our opinions and our favorites and sometimes we spend our money believing one thing and then learn later that what we thought, may not have been the case, but our money is spent, and the salesman has collected his commission. I am not trying to start an argument, I am trying to help a guy not put his hard earned money in the wrong place.
See, now we're on the same page. Ok, I understand where you are coming from now. And I agree. For the money, it can be slightly harder to justify the Sendero. But you do have to look at it as you're adding a $400 HS Precision stock, a more expensive barrel to produce with the fluting, and the reciever and barrel are made of solid stainless steel ($100 difference on MSRP), compared to high carbon like the regular 700's, so, more expensive materials, the jeweled bolt. And with the MSRP of the stainless SPS being $805, and the Sendero being $1,451...I think that $650 gap can be closed based simply on the added features.
Senderos are excellent rifles, right off the shelf. It allows you to get that semi-custom accuracy without having to take a new rifle to the smith. One of my Sendero SF's and 5R MilSpecs are shooting sub-¼ MOA accuracy with handloads, and they have never been touched by a smith. The other Sendero Sf will have no choice but to be touched by a smith, as I have pieced it together correctly with date-correct parts. So, before having the headspacing set, and chamber reamed to A.I., I might as well have the action trued for that extra little piece of mind. And the reason I pieced it together is because I will have less money in it than what a used Sendero SF sells for with an unknown round-count and unknown previous owners and an unknown maintenace regimine.
However, I do think that Remington needs to do something about that god-aweful X-Mark trigger....They're complete trash. They need to bring back the old style before the x-mark (flat-back with the wide grooved shoe), so we can actually adjust them without having to spend $150-200 on an aftermarket one immediately.
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Originally Posted by WildRose
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